Mandatory Work Activity

exprog

nannytone wrote: »

i went on one many years ago, when i was on benefit for a short time. ...it didn't lead to a job, but it kept me busy and kept me in the 'working' frame of mind. getting up early and actually having somewhere that i needed to be.

Don't judge everyone by your own standards. Just because you're an inadequate, requiring direction by others doesn't mean normal people are.

Richardsct

This is a quote from the CAB guide on Mandatory Work regulations

Google 'Response to the SSAC consultation on Jobseeker’s Allowance Mandatory work activity regulations 2011' for the full version

"Advisers would be able to refer to mandatory work activity (MWA) at any time in a claim, rather than after a fixed period, thus using discretion to prescribe it only for claimants who would seem to benefit from it, rather than for all claimants at set points in a claim. The proposals therefore appear to be more flexible than the ‘work for your benefits’ pilots that were due to have been introduced in November 2010. It is not clear, however, whether the greater discretion applied by Jobcentre advisers will ensure that the weaknesses highlighted above will be avoided."


looks a bit more like commonsense at least, we'll see

nannytone_2

lol i am far from inadequate thanks lol

i agree that education is the key. but that will not resolve the problems we have right now, that would be for the future.
yes people should have aspirations and it would be great if everyone did a job they enjoyed.
but there needs to be personal responsibility too.
if you cant get a job doing whatever it is that you want to do.......does that mean you should do nothing until a job in your chosen feild pops up?
if there isn't a job you want to do, in the area you live, you have 2 choices. move or do a job that is available to you!

we shouldnt allow areas to become ghetto's where people are born, live and die with the state picking up the tab!
i was a single parent for many years, and claimed benefit for about 18 months in total. i worked at jobs i didn't like to provide for my family. my kids grew up knowing that not working wasnt an option. i personally know a fair dew families where the third generation are now having families......and no one has ever worked..........when did this become acceptable?

Richardsct

I agree to a point but 100 local vacancies into 4000 plus unemployed SIMPLY DOESN'T ADD UP and we were discussing the use of PUNITIVE measures rather than rational thought out ones

Labour's motto was 'Education, Education, Education' but has contributed to nearly 3/4 million young unemployed with no skills valid to the workplace, a young lad in my jobcentre was telling his advisor he was looking for work in graphic design - no chance in this area- why was he taught the subject in the first place?

your attitude comes over as that ALL long term unemployed are responsible for their situation - ok some are! so as I've said sanction them, but simply making all the unemployed work for their dole will not solve the problem

I've seen dozens of people that can't compose a simple letter or have basic computer skills (hardly aspirational) - even addressing these two things would shorten the claimant count significantly.

your point about 3rd generation unemployment is valid but you need to SOLVE it, Ian duncan smith - whom I am no fan of has recognised this.

AdaptiveSequence

nannytone wrote: »

lol i am far from inadequate thanks lol

i agree that education is the key. but that will not resolve the problems we have right now, that would be for the future.
yes people should have aspirations and it would be great if everyone did a job they enjoyed.
but there needs to be personal responsibility too.
if you cant get a job doing whatever it is that you want to do.......does that mean you should do nothing until a job in your chosen feild pops up?
if there isn't a job you want to do, in the area you live, you have 2 choices. move or do a job that is available to you!

we shouldnt allow areas to become ghetto's where people are born, live and die with the state picking up the tab!
i was a single parent for many years, and claimed benefit for about 18 months in total. i worked at jobs i didn't like to provide for my family. my kids grew up knowing that not working wasnt an option. i personally know a fair dew families where the third generation are now having families......and no one has ever worked..........when did this become acceptable?

a) Why in bold?
b) Cool story, bro;)

nannytone_2

god, not the bold question again lol

i'm registered blind, and can read normal text as i 'big' the font up and sit really really close to the monitor.

but....i can't type in that position as i am almost laying on the keyboaed. i use toi bold because it gives me a few more inches.

Richard.....we're actually not too far away from each other regarding this.
i don't advocate 'slave labour' either.......but most people dont want to go to english and I T classes. they would have to be made to go!

i live in a rural area and we have a tiny Adult learning centre. offers basic englis/maths and all the cake decorating and mosaic making classes you could ever want. they are free to people on means tested benefits.......but are they full........no most are cancelled through lack of interest!

Richardsct

The problem I have with your posts is that your opinions seem to be lifted from countless 'Sun', 'Daily Mail' etc editorials

Bottom line here is this - sanction those that can't be bothered but as someone who lived through the 80's - as you may have done, get the problem sorted - get people educated and trained for the workplace rather than just 'give 'em a brush and tell them to get on with it' or there will be other generations blighted as well.

sorry to hear about the sight - my grandmother was also registered blind, and I've had sight problems myself.

All the best

nannytone_2

i don't actually read the newspapers........and to infer i'm a daily mail reader.............you really know how to throw an insult lol

i too remember the 80's ( i was 20 in 1983) and thats when i had my children. to blame the education system ( though theres no argument that it needs improving) isn't entirely fair. both my children were educated in a deprived area, with low expectations from the children.
my friend went to school with me and was in my class, we both left school with similar qualifications........but at that time, you changed jobs as you felt like it.......there was work to be had for those that wanted it.
by the time my kids were in secondary school everything had changed. you NEEDED the education if there was going to be a chance that you would get somewhere.
i recognised this and pushed my kids..........at times they hated me for it..........but they both got 12 G C S E's ( all A - C grades)
my friends kissed dossed about, kept getting themselves suspended and all 4 left with no exams!
is that the fault of the education system? of the deprived area? or of the parenting?

my kids werent genius'.......and i'd have been happy regardless of how many passes they got and any grade.....as long as they tried their best.

my kids now have decent payingjobs ( which they botgh hate, but both have families to support so they do thgem!)
3 of her kids have never held a job since leaving school for more than a few months at a time.

i took responsibility for my kids and how they turned out, and sometimes i wonder why when financially her workshy family are no worse off!

Richardsct

Finally something I can almost 100% (Well not quite!) agree with.

But education has let a lot down - it's not the children's fault or parents really - I think labour's league tables put too much emphasis on simply getting results of any kind and not enough emphasis on the 3rs

see this link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7982716/English-Baccalaureate-to-combat-drop-in-academic-GCSEs.html

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