Scrap the BBC to cut the defecit

bendix

ninky wrote: »

nothing. i'm just better than other people so if i can force my agenda through i will.

plus it gives me more chance of having half a decent conversation once in a while.

bring on those reithian values.....

That's fine, but as a left winger, doesnt it make you uncomfortable that the lower-earning masses are being forced to pay a tax of £150 or so a year so that you and your minority highbrow friends can indulge in your period costume dramas, and Newsnight. After all, they are not watching them, so they are subisidising your expensive tastes.

Why stop there? Why not charge them another tax on Big macs which can be redistributed to the hampstead and west london toffs as a nut cutlet allowance?

It doesnt seem a very socialist agenda to me . . . shame on you :rotfl:

ninky_2

bendix wrote: »

That's fine, but as a left winger, doesnt it make you uncomfortable that the lower-earning masses are being forced to pay a tax of £150 or so a year so that you and your minority highbrow friends can indulge in your period costume dramas, and Newsnight. After all, they are not watching them, so they are subisidising your expensive tastes.

Why stop there? Why not charge them another tax on Big macs which can be redistributed to the hampstead and west london toffs as a nut cutlet allowance?

It doesnt seem a very socialist agenda to me . . . shame on you :rotfl:

no.

i don't watch dramas really let alone costume dramas (just cos it's posh doesn't make it highbrow just like visiting national trust houses) but i like a good panorama.

i'm not a 'leftwinger' i'm a human being. i don't 'owe' any view or loyalty to any dogma.

150 quid a year is not much in the scheme of things and if we didn't have the option of the bbc you can be sure that commercial providers (like sky) would use that opportunity to hike their prices.

there are probably other (better) ways of paying for the bbc than individual licence fee purchase. i just don't think they should be based on ratings.

greggymagic

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

So do I.

But we don't get that with BBC any more do we?

1. Firstly, we have 'market pressures' that ensure that all 'saleable' BBC programs need to be, say, 25 minutes and not a full 30, hence they 'fill' 5 minutes with advertiesements on how to pay your license fee, what's coming up next, new series starting next week... So avid is this that they even overlay the credits with more adverts

Actually not true

BBC make UK Versions of programs which tend to be 28 mins per 30 slot and 58 mins per 60 slot

They then cut these down to 25 and 50 for worldwide distribution so that whoever they sell them to can still run their adverts.

Cheers

Cheers

greggymagic

And if you compare the above to say Sky and ITV - (44mins per 60) slot you're getting about 30 percent more programming per hour on the BBC.

B_Blank

Why on earth dont the bbc at least have adverts and the government can use that money to clear the deficit. They have billions of hits on their website, and loads of people watch their rubbish tv, so why not put ads on it and give the money back to the tax payer!!! Its ludicros. It makes me so angry.

B_Blank

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Actually, I thanked Ninky because I agreed with him that another private channel would mostly have the most popular things on (or what they considered to be the most popular things, as they chase advertising revenue), and I would hate to lose the other BBC channels which would get very little or no advertising revenue.

Nevertheless, I love some of the things that were mentioned (just not the soaps). I wonder, however, if a private channel would have something like the Swedish 'Wallender', or per last Saturday's 'Spiral'. BBC 4 often acts, it seems, as a test run for BBC2. I think Ninky is right (for once).

You can watch this stuff online. Why does the bbc need to cater towards you and the other 12 people who like watching high brow boring tv?

B_Blank

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

So do I.

But we don't get that with BBC any more do we?

1. Firstly, we have 'market pressures' that ensure that all 'saleable' BBC programs need to be, say, 25 minutes and not a full 30, hence they 'fill' 5 minutes with advertiesements on how to pay your license fee, what's coming up next, new series starting next week... So avid is this that they even overlay the credits with more adverts.

2. For sheer commercialism, just watch "The One Show". Prime time television, and yet every day the main 'guest' is there to flog his book, world tour, new DVD, new TV series (even on ITV), new play...... I simply don't know how this doesn't breach 'guidelines' when they aren't even allowed to have a Fairy Liquid bottle on show in, say, Eastenders, without very expensive conferences each time to deliberate about how many times they show a competing brand elsewhere....

Couldnt agree more on point 2. They roll out someone whose mates with the bbc producers to sell their terrible tv show or play (which is usually a complete flop).

AND THE LICENSE FEE PAYER IS PAYING FOR THIS!! IT IS CORRUPTION!!! PURE AND SIMPLE CORRUPTION.

The BBC needs scrapping NOW, they are like the banks, its an old boys club using public money to line their own pockets and the pockets of their mates.

ninky_2

greggymagic wrote: »

And if you compare the above to say Sky and ITV - (44mins per 60) slot you're getting about 30 percent more programming per hour on the BBC.

plus without the ad breaks there is a lot less repeated material (coming up / welcome back) - a sky 1 hour is often actually only about 20 - 25 minutes of fresh material. with freelance crossover between broadcasters some people take their editorial sensibilities across so you do see a bit of repetition in bbc shows now - particularly formats - but it's less as a rule.

Jennifer_Jane

B_Blank wrote: »

You can watch this stuff online. Why does the bbc need to cater towards you and the other 12 people who like watching high brow boring tv?

Well 'Spiral' is certainly not high-brow! There must be more than 12 of us watching it, since this is the second series BBC4 has run, and it gets repeated on Wednesdays, albeit late at night. Well, OK, that's one programme, but, as I said, many programmes that get aired on BBC2 have come from BBC4.

Watching online is very different from watching on TV, apart from being uncomfortable if there is more than one of you, the sound and visual quality is poorer.

The BBC doesn't 'need' to cater for me but, because it's the public broadcaster, it can give a good selection of things that I amongst millions of others, enjoy. Tonight we'll be watching a mix of BBC1, 2, Channel 4 and BBC4. I'm glad and grateful to have a good mix of things to watch, and happy to pay my licence fee to achieve this.


And, a question for you.... why has this Board attracted so many daft posters over the last 6 months or so?

Wheezy_2

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Well 'Spiral' is certainly not high-brow!

Judging on his/her posts....ANYTHING would be high-brow for Blankety Blank.