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  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    chucky wrote: »
    what percentage impact is driven by stimulus?

    Not a question I can answer. Neither could you.

    But that doesn't mean it's wrong.
  • Cleaver wrote: »
    I think in an area like mine though (3 or 4 bed houses, family area) people do have access to mortgages. This isn't really FTBer land.

    If the average age of an unassisted FTB is 37, what is FTBer land in your opinion?
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    If the average age of an unassisted FTB is 37, what is FTBer land in your opinion?

    Unassisted FTB-s are only 20% of the total FTB-s.

    The average age of all FTB-s is 32.

    And the average age of assisted FTB-s must be younger still.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

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  • Unassisted FTB-s are only 20% of the total FTB-s.

    The average age of all FTB-s is 32.

    And the average age of assisted FTB-s must be younger still.

    If the average age of an unassisted FTB is 37, what is FTBer land in your opinion?

    Also, same question with regard the 32 year old average you quote.
  • Cleaver
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    If the average age of an unassisted FTB is 37, what is FTBer land in your opinion?

    An area of terraced housing. Probably 2 bed terraces, often big properties, bit of outside space. Nice houses a lot of the time. These can be bought all over the North West for anywhere between £80,000 and £120,000, so well within reach of most FTBers here.

    So this is what I'd call 'FTBer' land. The age doesn't really matter, the types of houses around me are probably the types of houses that are rarely bought by FTBers, and probably never have been. We certainly couldn't have afforded the house we were in as a FTBer, no matter what year. We bought a back to back 2-bed terrace instead.

    Also, the use of the word 'unassisted' to describe a FTBer is neither here nor there. A FTBer is a FTBer, doesn't really matter whether they were assisted or not.
  • the.ciscokid
    the.ciscokid Posts: 273 Forumite
    edited 18 April 2011 at 11:53AM
    Cleaver wrote: »
    An area of terraced housing. Probably 2 bed terraces, often big properties, bit of outside space. Nice houses a lot of the time. These can be bought all over the North West for anywhere between £80,000 and £120,000, so well within reach of most FTBers here.

    Ok thanks. What's the average salary of the FTB?
    Cleaver wrote: »
    So this is what I'd call 'FTBer' land. The age doesn't really matter

    Of course it does. A 37 year old is far more likely to need a family home.
    Cleaver wrote: »
    , the types of houses around me are probably the types of houses that are rarely bought by FTBers, and probably never have been. We certainly couldn't have afforded the house we were in as a FTBer,

    If you don't mind me asking, how old were you?
    Cleaver wrote: »
    no matter what year. We bought a back to back 2-bed terrace instead.

    Also, the use of the word 'unassisted' to describe a FTBer is neither here nor there. A FTBer is a FTBer, doesn't really matter whether they were assisted or not.

    If the FTB age range is from 21 to 40, for arguments sake, due to assistance or otherwise (and Hamish seems to think that unassisted makes up 20% of the FTB market) then it clearly does make a difference.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    If the average age of an unassisted FTB is 37, what is FTBer land in your opinion?

    Also, same question with regard the 32 year old average you quote.

    FTB land is 1 and 2 bed flats or terraces.

    80% of FTB-s fall in this category.

    The 20% of older FTB-s that are unassisted may want to buy something bigger. God knows they've had long enough to save up for it though....

    Of course, having failed to buy in the 90's when houses were at all time record low salary multiples, failed to buy again in the early 2000's when prices were still low and mortgages readily available, and failed to buy again in the mid 2000's when mortgages were cheap and easily available at up to 100% LTV's...... It's hard to feel much sympathy for them.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • iandury
    iandury Posts: 20 Forumite
    Cleaver wrote: »
    Why are you behaving like a child?

    You started it (;

    And besides I am only using the same logic as you guys to make a point
  • FTB land is 1 and 2 bed flats or terraces.

    Why?
    80% of FTB-s fall in this category.

    What, averaging 32 years old?
    The 20% of older FTB-s that are unassisted may want to buy something bigger. God knows they've had long enough to save up for it though....

    During a time when houses were booming quicker than people were getting payrises and able to save?
    Of course, having failed to buy in the 90's when houses were at all time record low salary multiples, failed to buy again in the early 2000's when prices were still low and mortgages readily available, and failed to buy again in the mid 2000's when mortgages were cheap and easily available at up to 100% LTV's...... It's hard to feel much sympathy for them.

    I know, I know, you are alright Jack.
  • iandury
    iandury Posts: 20 Forumite
    Cleaver wrote: »
    Why are you behaving like a child?

    You started it (;

    And besides I am only using the same logic as you guys to make a point
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