planning permission needed to move bathroom?

riverboat2001

I'm hoping to give up a small bedroom upstairs and turn it into a nice shower room, thus allowing me to remove the horrible downstairs bathroom.

Would i need planning permission?

macman

No,unless it's a listed building, but you might need building control approval, depending on the extent of the modifications required.
Planning permission generally relates to the external appearance of a property.

keystone

You WILL certainly need building regulations as its a change of use. As macman says its not a planning issue.

Cheers

riverboat2001

Thanks for the info, before i phone the council and effectively "grass" myself up, could you offer the best way to proceed.

I have a nasty old bathroom on the ground floor, and directly above it i have a small bedroom.

I want to keep a downstairs loo, and create a shower room directly above it with loo and handbasin.

Because i'm not going to have a bath full of water i would imagine that weight implication would be not be an issue.
But as i want to have the whole room tiled, i reckon that could have an implication.
I do know that the electric supply to the shower system will need extra attention.

Would this project be allowed or have i missed any obvious problems?

Do i need a suryevor to draw up plans and invetigate the load bearing and ventitlation?
Or can i just get the local council to send someone out to get a yes or no?

phill99

riverboat2001 wrote: »

Thanks for the info, before i phone the council and effectively "grass" myself up, could you offer the best way to proceed.

I have a nasty old bathroom on the ground floor, and directly above it i have a small bedroom.

I want to keep a downstairs loo, and create a shower room directly above it with loo and handbasin.

Because i'm not going to have a bath full of water i would imagine that weight implication would be not be an issue.
But as i want to have the whole room tiled, i reckon that could have an implication.
I do know that the electric supply to the shower system will need extra attention.

Would this project be allowed or have i missed any obvious problems?

Do i need a suryevor to draw up plans and invetigate the load bearing and ventitlation?
Or can i just get the local council to send someone out to get a yes or no?

You are over complicating things. You don't need any extra reinforcement for a bath. The joists in a bathroom are exactly the same as the rest of the house - don't worry about the weight. You don't need a survbeyor to do anything. If its is an internal bathroom it will need extraction. A standard 4" extractor will suffice.

You don't need Building Regulations or Planning permission.

If you upgrade your electrics for an electric shower, your electrician will certificate this and will register the upgrade for you via his Trade Body.

Ebven if you speak to the council, why would you be "grassing" yourself up? Its only an enquiry and you don't have to give an address. But there is nothing to grass up any way.

macman

The only major work, or potential complication, involved in what you are planning is to route the WC waste from the new WC location into the existing soil pipe, and to bring the new water and power supplies upstairs.
You don't need prior council building regs 'permission'. Building regs approval involves any major work (primarily structural) being approved during the relevant stages of construction. As keystone said, it's nothing to with planning, it's done to ensure the integrity of the structure and of your neighbours'. You don't need a surveyor to check anything, any competent builder and plumber can tell you what is required.

riverboat2001

phill99 wrote: »

You are over complicating things. You don't need any extra reinforcement for a bath. The joists in a bathroom are exactly the same as the rest of the house - don't worry about the weight. You don't need a survbeyor to do anything. If its is an internal bathroom it will need extraction. A standard 4" extractor will suffice.

You don't need Building Regulations or Planning permission.

If you upgrade your electrics for an electric shower, your electrician will certificate this and will register the upgrade for you via his Trade Body.

Ebven if you speak to the council, why would you be "grassing" yourself up? Its only an enquiry and you don't have to give an address. But there is nothing to grass up any way.

This is appears to be in contradiction to the earlier post by Keystone.
I'll give the council a ring when i get out of work later on and post back.

phill99

riverboat2001 wrote: »

This is appears to be in contradiction to the earlier post by Keystone.
I'll give the council a ring when i get out of work later on and post back.

I guarantee you will not need Planning Permission of building regulations approval.

00ec25

phill99 wrote: »

I guarantee you will not need Planning Permission of building regulations approval.

why so sure? OP aims to instal a new toilet and shower - so will have to cut into or extend the existing soil stack - when my neighbour did this he certainly did need building regs sign off.

agree will not need planning permission

rustybucket

Nope, you don't need building regulation approval, I've moved the bathroom upstairs in our Victorian semi and had to change the pipework and location for the soil stack. We used someone to do ours and he did a brilliant job.

keystone

Conversion of a bedroom into a bathroom requires building regulations end of story. Change of use of bedroom to bath/shower room involves F1, F2, G1, G3, G4, G5, H1 and P1 for certainty.

Whether it requires a full plans application or not you should discuss with your local BCO. The fact that some people may chose not to do it properly is immaterial. To conform you should get the BCO involved.

Cheers