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Dangerous cyclists could get 14Years pokey.
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Strider590 wrote: »You make it sound like cyclists are these Ninja car vandals that ride around running red lights and slamming into pedestrian.
Fact is, it's VERY rarely the cyclist at fault and drivers behave the way they do toward them because they've been told the opposite.
Just out of interest where does that above "fact" come from?! I see plently of idiotic drivers on the roads, but I've also seen a fair few idiotic cyclists too!:heart2: Newborn Thread Member :heart2:
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Someone needs to lance this ridiculous statistic.2 million uninsured drivers
"Two million uninsured drivers" amounts to one driver in every six.
It's a nonsense figure, a completely fabricated statistic.
If it were true, our courts would be cluttered with prosecutions for driving with no insurance.
The police would be working overtime with ANPR and road blocks. Remember every sixth car has no insurance, so we are told.
The group behind moneysupermarket.com were the first to quote this astonishing figure of "2 million uninsured drivers".
So where did they get their "facts" from? No surprise, they don't tell us.
In one article, the head of car insurance at Moneysupermarket.com, Steve Sweeney, goes even further, providing even more unlikely statistics for the numbers of uninsured motorists around the country.
Sweeney claims that one area of the worst offending is "the middle class hotspot", Hebden Bridge, where an incredible 24% of motorists apparently have no insurance.
I don't believe a word of it!
The national figure of uninsured motorists is closer to 1 in a 100 drivers.0 -
Yes, deliberately. Does that sound too incredible to believe? The cyclist had "previous" for reckless behaviour, so we now learn.alanrowell wrote: »Deliberately? :huh:
Another thing that troubles, is that the cyclist seems to have shown no remorse for killing the girl. He's made no public apology, no statement to the media, nor a single word of regret to the court, at least none that have been reported.0 -
To sum up, the cyclist, unlike the motorist, doesn't need insurance, he's not required to stop after a collision, he doesn't have to provide his details to the third party, and he doesn't have to report the collision to the police..
And yet you have the temerity to claim that existing laws on cycling are satisfactory.
That's because, for the final time, the cyclist is not in charge of a 3 tonne 150mph instrument of mass destruction. My daughter's pushchair has no insurance either, nor does my horse.0 -
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However, there are a host of other legal areas concerning bicycling which could usefully be updated..
Requirement for 3rd party insurance for cyclists
Contribution through taxation to road maintenance, cycle lane provision...
As a regular cyclist the LAST thing I need or want is more damned CYCLE LANES!
Most are totally useless and end just before junctions (where 90% of cycle related accidents happen).
They might be useful to some very slow beginner cyclists, but certainly not to regular cyclists who try and keep up with the rest of the general traffic flow.0 -
I wrote before:"Have we been told about the background of this cyclist? Has he got any previous criminal convictions? Does he hold a driving licence? Why was he cycling? What was the purpose and destination of his journey? Was he in employment at the time of the collision? Was he under the influence of drink or drugs? Does he have psychiatric problems? At the time of the offence, did he have any previous convictions for road traffic offences? Does he have a history of violence?"An Essex JP who writes on the Magistrate's Blog has commented:"According to the reports the cyclist was "known" for his reckless behaviour. He knew the victim was there and told her that he had no intention of stopping - the court heard he could have done so, if minded. In my view a prosecution for involuntary manslaughter would have been appropriate. I suspect the CPS went for the line of least resistance and a guaranteed result for the targets."
Someone on the internet calling themself 'essexjp' claimed something, ooh stop the presses. Perhaps it was this man, in Seattle Washington: http://www.dslreports.com/comment/1793/26612 ?0 -
Someone needs to lance this ridiculous statistic.
"Two million uninsured drivers" amounts to one driver in every six.
It's a nonsense figure, a completely fabricated statistic.
If it were true, our courts would be cluttered with prosecutions for driving with no insurance.
There are uninsured hotspots all over the country, so to say 1 in 5, or 1 in 100, or 1 in 1000 is utterly meaningless.
It's like nuking France and then saying 1 in 20 Europeans is a pool of radioactive mush.
So how about a fact?
60% of drivers in Bradford are uninsured... FACT
(So that's more than 160 thousand people in just one UK city)“I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to make an a** of yourself.”
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Yes, deliberately. Does that sound too incredible to believe? The cyclist had "previous" for reckless behaviour, so we now learn.
So someone on a blog claims. Let me know when you find any reliable source of that. And when you do, I'll send you the newspaper reports of the killer drivers driving while disqualified.Another thing that troubles, is that the cyclist seems to have shown no remorse for killing the girl. He's made no public apology, no statement to the media, nor a single word of regret to the court, at least none that have been reported.
Maybe the media aren't interested. 'Killer cyclist shows no remorse' sells more papers.
Anyway perhaps you should have read the reports more closely
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/07/10/cyclist-jason-howard-my-regret-at-girl-s-death-115875-20638061/
After hitting her he put her in the recovery position. He could have just cycled off. Do you know how many hit + run drivers there are?
"In 2004, 145 people were killed in 23,714 hit-and-run incidents."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1515864/145-hit-and-run-deaths-prompt-calls-for-action-against-illegal-drivers.html
What it comes down to is an idiot is an idiot whether they are in a car or on a bike, but an idiot in charge of a 3-tonne 150mph vehicle is far more dangerous than one on a bike.0 -
Just out of interest where does that above "fact" come from?! I see plently of idiotic drivers on the roads, but I've also seen a fair few idiotic cyclists too!
They did a study in Australia, and it found that drivers were at fault in 87% of incidents. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/car-drivers-more-at-often-at-fault-in-accidents-with-bike-riders/story-e6freooo-12259590198250
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