Photo Card Driving Licence due to Expire

Paradigm

thenudeone wrote: »

There are plausible stories on other forums of people's cars being seized and / or being reported for prosecution for "driving other than in accordance with a licence" or "failing to produce your licence to a constable".
Even if you do manage to persuade the court that you are entitled to drive, you will have been put to a great deal of expense and / or trouble, if either of those things happen, and you are unlikely to get a sympathetic hearing by the police if you ask them to refund the garage's storage fees because you will, after all, have committed an offence under s 99 (2) a). Remember they only need a "reasonable suspicion" in order to seize your vehicle.

For the sake of £20 or so, and to avoid the risk of prosecution, I would renew it.

Agree with most of this but only because of the confusion between the two, seperate, offences.

Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence is a criminal offence with up to £1000 fine plus 3-6 penalty points.

Driving with an expired photo is (IIRC) a civil offence & is not endorsable.

Having said that I agree that for the sake of £20 every 10 years (rip off though it is) it's common sense to renew your photo.

Mrs_Arcanum wrote: »

My paper licence expires 2029 (stated on the front) so why would I not have a driving license if I failed to renew the photo part?

Exactly, you do still have a valid driving licence but not a valid photo... two seperate things!

johnnyroper

74jax wrote: »

The photocard part of my driving licence is due to expire in a month.

To save money do I have to renew this or is the fact that my paper licence is still valid enough?

Is the photocard part just a form of ID?

I had a letter from DVLA a few months back about mine expiring and apparently by law you have renew it or face a £1000 fine.
It is the photo that expires after 10 years and not the license itself.

bigjl

My advice is to get the photocard renewed every ten years.

You are welcome to follow my recommendation.

Everybody that feels they don't need to, and by linking up info' that may be construed by some to mean you don't need to are advising people wrongly in my opinion.

I hope all these people report back on their experiences when they don't renew.

I will report back on my experience with a regularly renewed photocard.

Lets not forget that coppers seem to come squarely down on the side of expired photocard the impound the car and report the driver for driving not in accordance, and for consideration of suspicion of driving without valid insurance.

Don't worry though you can print off this thread as your defence, you may well win, especially if you can afford a Barrister.

Anybody that suggests any course other than renewal is planting a seed that may cause somebody to act in a way that could put them in all kinds of bother.

Won't be long till an Insurance co refuses to pay out for a fault claim due to an expired photocard licence, they will obviously pay out for any third party losses if the third party was not at fault.

But seriously why would anybody run the risk.

Suggest and quote all you want.

By posting the info' that thenudeone has, and his opinion on what it means infers a course of action.

I wouldn't want to be the test case for this, especially if you have been involved in an accident with serious and expensive results.

Insurance companies may pay out then sue you to get the money back, in much the same way they have been known to do with drunk drivers.

DCFC79

Simple answer is yes get it renewed

the_big_fact_hunt

its another way to make money from motorists.
My photo expires next year at 10 years old, yet, i have a tachograph card for the new digital tachographs with the same picture issued last year, but it does not expire until 2015ish when the picture will be about 15 years old.
Someone thought of a way to make money and did not think of all the angles

Paradigm

bigjl wrote: »

Everybody that feels they don't need to, and by linking up info' that may be construed by some to mean you don't need to are advising people wrongly in my opinion.

Don't worry though you can print off this thread as your defence, you may well win, especially if you can afford a Barrister.

Anybody that suggests any course other than renewal is planting a seed that may cause somebody to act in a way that could put them in all kinds of bother.

Won't be long till an Insurance co refuses to pay out for a fault claim due to an expired photocard licence, they will obviously pay out for any third party losses if the third party was not at fault.

But seriously why would anybody run the risk.

Suggest and quote all you want.

By posting the info' that thenudeone has, and his opinion on what it means infers a course of action.

I wouldn't want to be the test case for this, especially if you have been involved in an accident with serious and expensive results.

Insurance companies may pay out then sue you to get the money back, in much the same way they have been known to do with drunk drivers.

What are you talking about?
Show where has anyone on this thread suggested that the photo shouldn't be renewed?

You need to stop sniffing those medical gasses mate!!

bigjl

You are not wrong, it is just a way to get more money for the DVLA, as if they weren't getting enough by losing logbooks and SORN declarations, even if they have lost it you still get a fine.

This post was in answer to the-big-fact-hunt.

bigjl

Paradigm wrote: »

What are you talking about?
Show where has anyone on this thread suggested that the photo shouldn't be renewed?

This is surely not difficult, but when somebody posts a question and people answer it by saying you can drive without an up to date photocard as your licence is still valid till you are 70.

This infers a course of action that the poster of this information feels is correct.

Why are so many people trying to say they weren't saying not to renew. Just thought they would say you can drive without it renewed. That is what the OP wanted to know, can you drive without it.


Seriously there are some people on here that can't understand the basics.

Any post put up in reply to a specific question is by definition the posters answer.

I see no disclaimers about the possibility of incorrect information being posted.


I am happy to stand behind my answer, I will renew.

Any other answer is surely advocating or at a minimum suggesting the possibility of not renewing it.

Non renewal of a photocard should not even be hinted at, it is against the law, simples.

Just to remind you this is what you previously posted

"Exactly, you do still have a valid driving licence but not a valid photo... two seperate things! "

So by this statement alone you are advocating not renewing your photocard licence.

Otherwise why state the licence is still valid with an expired photocard.

If you feel that your licence is still valid that is your opinion, please report back how this goes when the time comes, this is your advise on the forum when a request for information was posted, the very least you can do is use your own advice.

Paradigm

bigjl wrote: »

This is surely not difficult, but when somebody posts a question and people answer it by saying you can drive without an up to date photocard as your licence is still valid till you are 70.

Almost, what has been said is that the licence is still valid until 70 years of age, unless revoked for another reason..... out of date photo isn't one!

bigjl wrote: »

This infers a course of action that the poster of this information feels is correct.

No it doesn't.

bigjl wrote: »

Why are so many people trying to say they weren't saying not to renew.

Where are these people? I can't see any on this thread.

bigjl wrote: »

I see no disclaimers about the possibility of incorrect information being posted.

Which incorrect information are you referring to? If you don't renew then you are comitting an offence... that's been posted!

bigjl wrote: »

Non renewal of a photocard should not even be hinted at, it is against the law, simples.

No-one has stated that people shouldn't renew, or even hinted at it.

bigjl wrote: »

Just to remind you this is what you previously posted

"Exactly, you do still have a valid driving licence but not a valid photo... two seperate things! "

They are 2 different offences. I can post the legislation proving that they are... show me otherwise & I'll apologise! OOps thenudeone already has posted part of the legislation (& nowhere did he say don't renew) so over to you!

bigjl wrote: »

So by this statement alone you are advocating not renewing your photocard licence.

Am I? I am merely pointing out that an out of date photo doesn't mean your "driving licence" has expired... read the law & it's plain to anyone! A number of posters on this thread have already recognised that fact!

To sum up... not renewing your photo is a non endorsable offence which you may be prosecuted for!

This does not mean your licence has expired.... the licence can't expire before the date given in law I.E your 70th birthday.

You need to get your head out of your all seeing a5se & actually read what has been posted before flapping your jaws.