Car to learner bike?

adouglasmhor

Coveredinbees!!!! wrote: »

would you trust you life to a £30 helmet

Not from Lidl, my mates saw kids (of fattass chav mums) playing a game involving clashing heads with the helmets on in Tollcross Lidl, he said the helmets need to be scrapped, manager just put them back on the shelf, mate asked what happens if no one buys them, was told they get repackaged and put out next time the offer comes around.

adouglasmhor

SailorSam wrote: »

It's a long long time since i've had a bike, so i haven't got a helmet now, but i would have thought if you buy something whether that be a washing machine; a pair of shoes; or a motorbike helmet. If it's got the kite mark on it, it must have been made to a standard.

See my post above, it's a bit late to ask for a refund under SOGA when you are on a drip with your family standing round your bed crying.

SailorSam

adouglasmhor wrote: »

See my post above, it's a bit late to ask for a refund under SOGA when you are on a drip with your family standing round your bed crying.

I've looked at your post above, you were talking about one bad manager who put a scratched helmet back on the shelf, and mate who's an expert and can tell at a glance when goods are unfit.
If these are so bad do you really think i company the size of Lidl would sell they'd be snowed under with claims everytime there was a crash.
The Op is only going to riding a scoorer, she isn't panning on entering the TT. Maybe there is a difference, as i said i don't know but if it has a kite mark i'd take more note of that than some mate of your that reckons he knows more.

adouglasmhor

The kite mark says it weas up to standard when it was packed at the factory not after it's been used as a toy by chav brats, I don't think there's a standard for that. I never said it was scratched either don't put words into my mouth, that's just lying.
I would rather buy from someone who specialises in gear like that than a store that put compromised stock back out; then again I feel my head needs protecting even at 30mph (you might end up going faster than that if you get wishboned by another road user). If it’s been in any knock at all it needs checking by someone who knows what they are doing, not boxed back up again and sold to the next mug. Lidl are running that side of the business on stack them high sell them cheap, that and a 90 day period to pay suppliers areat the core of their business model, they can get stock out in 7 days of delivery sell it all of in 21 days and sit on capital for 60 days plus.
It’s the most important bit of safety kit a biker uses and it’s false economy to go cheap. My mate doesn’t claim to be an expert but it’s common knowledge that if your skid lid gets bumped it’s compromised until it’s checked out by an expert.
For another £10 you can get a serviceable helmet from any number of specialists, if buying a scooter new you can often get the dealer to add one in to the deal.

SailorSam

adouglasmhor wrote: »

The kite mark says it weas up to standard when it was packed at the factory not after it's been used as a toy by chav brats, I don't think there's a standard for that. I never said it was scratched either don't put words into my mouth, that's just lying.
I would rather buy from someone who specialises in gear like that than a store that put compromised stock back out; then again I feel my head needs protecting even at 30mph (you might end up going faster than that if you get wishboned by another road user). If it’s been in any knock at all it needs checking by someone who knows what they are doing, not boxed back up again and sold to the next mug. Lidl are running that side of the business on stack them high sell them cheap, that and a 90 day period to pay suppliers areat the core of their business model, they can get stock out in 7 days of delivery sell it all of in 21 days and sit on capital for 60 days plus.
It’s the most important bit of safety kit a biker uses and it’s false economy to go cheap. My mate doesn’t claim to be an expert but it’s common knowledge that if your skid lid gets bumped it’s compromised until it’s checked out by an expert.
For another £10 you can get a serviceable helmet from any number of specialists, if buying a scooter new you can often get the dealer to add one in to the deal.

I was being facetious when i said 'scratched' , 'cos you actually told us your mate said it should be 'scrapped'. Now you're telling us your mate doesn't know what he's talking about, it doesn't need to be scrapped it only needs to be checked out by an expert.
I'm not an expert but i would think if you could a serviceable helmet at any number of specialists for only a tenner more. and that helmet had the same 'kite' number as the Lidl one, Then i think it's more than likely that both helmets have been made to the same standard.
I think if i were in a market and i saw a guy selling 'bargain' helmets for £20 from the back of a van, i'd give it a miss. So i do agree with you that you can buy good and bad, but as i've already said if it's being sold by a Major retailer and is kite marked, i'd trust it and buy one.

adouglasmhor

You seem unable to grasp the concept that the kitemark is useless if the helmet has been abused. That's like saying your car passed it's MOT then you crashed it but it's still ok it's got an MOT. You seem a bit challenged to be honest.

edited to add, kite marks generally went out with ZX spectrums and two tone bands on top of the pops to be honest.

SailorSam

If i go to buy and washing machine and it's scratched i want buy it even if it has a kite mark,
similarly if i go to buy a crash helmet from Lidl i don't want the scratched one, even though it is kite marked , i want a new one. And that's what Lidl are selling ............. new crash helmets that have passed the minimum requirements.
Except for the safety aspect of this, you're sounding like the teenager who want wear a pair of jeans from Tesco 'cos they haven't got the right label on. They'll tell you that the quality isn't the same, but how many times have we seen reports on the Tv and all the jeans are made in the same sweat shops in India.
Perhaps it's the same with helmets, what you're really paying extra for is the label.

boyse7en

Helmets don't have Kite marks on these days, and teh ACU Gold stickers aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Any road-legal helmet will have an ECE 2205 mark that means it complies with the EU standard. This does not mean that it necessarily safe (the EU standards are pretty low). That it where SHARP ratings come in - helmets are tested for a variety of collisions and are rated out of five stars. Even that isn't uncontested - some top-brand helmets score low SHARP results because they don't fare well in one particular aspect of the test (eg Arai, which scored poorly in the side-impact test, its argument being that you don't hit the side of your head in a crash, it is nearly always teh front, and occasionally the back). Anyway, this is all getting away from the OPs original question.

You'll need to do a CBT to get a 125cc machine (Scooter or bike). A 50cc is OK for journeys of a few miles, but they won't keep up with the traffic out of the urban environment. Depending on your age, you could then take your bike test and get a motorbike limited to 33hp (which after two year's experience goes up to unlimited) In addition, you'll need insurance (specialists abound, try https://www.motorcyclenews.com for a comparison quote-getter), a helmet (from £40-50 upwards) and some waterproofs (from about £30 upwards) and Gloves (£20 upwards). You don't have to have special boots or armoured jacket and trousers, but they will provide more protection if you come off.

Riding in the rain is not much fun, but is still better than sitting in traffic for ages due to roadworks etc. Riding in ice is not recommended, but that doesn't mean that you can't ride in cold, dry conditions (I was riding in temperatures of -9 deg C in December). Riding in the summer is great!

If you go to https://www.geton.co.uk you can book a free test session with an instructor to see how you get on.

lindelou

Hi All,

Can anyone advise me as to how i get a good deal for my son on a 125 cc bike. He has his cbt but i am having trouble getting a sensible quote.

Thanks for reading,

Lindelou:p

adouglasmhor

SailorSam wrote: »

If i go to buy and washing machine and it's scratched i want buy it even if it has a kite mark,
similarly if i go to buy a crash helmet from Lidl i don't want the scratched one, even though it is kite marked , i want a new one. And that's what Lidl are selling ............. new crash helmets that have passed the minimum requirements.
Except for the safety aspect of this, you're sounding like the teenager who want wear a pair of jeans from Tesco 'cos they haven't got the right label on. They'll tell you that the quality isn't the same, but how many times have we seen reports on the Tv and all the jeans are made in the same sweat shops in India.
Perhaps it's the same with helmets, what you're really paying extra for is the label.

No what I am paying extra for is the care the supplier gives after it leaves the factory. I have explained this to you already but you are so far up yourself it's beyond your understanding. bless.