Japan crisis - the worlds economic outlook?

ninky_2

Generali wrote: »

By George Monbiot in The Grauniad today:

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sG7UZyFLL5gD5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=15&gid=commentisfree/2011/apr/05/anti-nuclear-lobby-misled-world&cat=top-stories

Perhaps things won't be quite as bad as some of the more excitable posters seem to think.

it really makes me laugh that nuclear apologists are resorting to citing wooly minded monbiot to support their claims.

michaels

Ninky, thanks to you and the other posters - I am finding it very hard to follow this story just based on the BBC coverage so thanks for all the other input.

It remains hard to get a balanced view. The seawater contamination readings previous, with hindsight showed that at lot of radioactive material must have been leaking to be so high so far out to see - presumably they also knew that they were having to poor a lot of water in to the reactor to keep the level up so must have known there was a leak and yet it has taken so long for it to come out even though it must have been obvious to nuclear experts. Now I guess there are 2 questions - can they seal this leak in the containment and are there other leaks that they have not yet been found - again no doubt they know how much water they are pumping in...

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Generali wrote: »

By George Monbiot in The Grauniad today:

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sG7UZyFLL5gD5iLRAfqL-dQ/view.m?id=15&gid=commentisfree/2011/apr/05/anti-nuclear-lobby-misled-world&cat=top-stories

Perhaps things won't be quite as bad as some of the more excitable posters seem to think.

"The US Department of Energy has testified that there is no level of radiation that is so low that it is without health risks,"

Japanese utility and government authorities suffered fresh setbacks Tuesday with the detection of radiation in a fish and news that water gushing from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant into the Pacific had radiation levels more than millions of times above the regulatory limit. Readings from samples taken Saturday in the concrete pit outside the turbine building of the plant's No. 2 reactor -- one of six at the crisis-plagued plant -- had radiation 7.5 million times the legal limits, said an official with the Tokyo Electric Power Company, which runs the plant. Newer findings, from Tuesday afternoon, showed a slight drop to 5 million times the norm.

Obviously the writer of your piece was slightly short sighted & lacking information when deep in thought about what bollox he was configuring to boost his shares.


So the 10 million times radiation "error" perhaps was not an error at all.

Obviously jamming cracks with saw dust & ripped up paper has had an effect. They should of tried Plumbers Gold.

ninky_2

michaels wrote: »

can they seal this leak in the containment and are there other leaks that they have not yet been found - again no doubt they know how much water they are pumping in...

well given that it must be coming from fission reactions that have breached the concrete containment underneath the reactor i don't know how they would be able to seal it.

the problem is not what is going up in the air so much but what is now burrowing its way deep into the earth. i guess one advantage / positive may be that with the reactor so near sea level contaminated water is likely to be making its way out towards the sea as water always seeks the lowest point. not great for radioactivity in the sea however.

Jazzshed

Yes what are the long term conciquences of all that going into the sea?

They could do a big dome over the plant like in the Simpsons movie

But you are right its the radiated water going down into the Earth that is the problem.

It would need to be a big globe around the plant, but that is almost impossible.

What is the end game? What is the solution then? If they just bury it all in concrete like Chinobyl then the radiation can still go down for decades. How can they stop this?

ninky_2

Jazzshed wrote: »

Yes what are the long term conciquences of all that going into the sea?

no one really knows for sure since the situation has not occured before. there are so many variables that it would be hard to create an accurate model.

on a much more trivial note i've gone right off nori rolls.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

ninky wrote: »

no one really knows for sure since the situation has not occured before.

Radiated fish circling the globe with their offspring having genetic defects.

michaels

I can't help but guess that the total radioactive material in Fukushima is negligible compared to the total amount in the sea already from natural sources so I would guess it remains only a local problem rather than a global one?

1984ReturnsForReal_2

michaels wrote: »

I can't help but guess that the total radioactive material in Fukushima is negligible compared to the total amount in the sea already from natural sources so I would guess it remains only a local problem rather than a global one?

Good logic but fish travel

MrEnglish

ninky wrote: »

no one really knows for sure since the situation has not occured before. there are so many variables that it would be hard to create an accurate model.

on a much more trivial note i've gone right off nori rolls.

Shame sushi nori has natural iodine that protects from radiation.

Is there any good website with updates on the nuclear crisis?

Alex Jones talks about it but not many others do.

It has been over a month now, what are plans to deal with it? Are they going to bury it under concrete like Chinobyl? But how will they stop the radiation going down and into the water?