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New 'wave' cards?
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That's why I always wait for the gate to close before touching my Oyster card. It may take 2 seconds longer but gives me the piece of mind that I've touched in/out correctly. Also gives me a chance to properly observe my balance on the small screen.I disagree.
Person 1 swipes their oyster card. It fails, for whatever reason. Person 1 tries to walk through closed gates.
Person 2, not paying attention, swipes their card. Gates open. Person 1 goes through gates. Gates close before person 2 can enter.
Person 2 has just paid for Person 1's underground journey.
A similar thing could *potentially* happen here with "wave" credit cards, I think. Although I think the risks there are probably cancelled out by the benefits of fewer people being able to observe your PIN.
PS: Have I ever been Person 2? Ummm... maybe
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They work just like the ski lift passes have worked in Austria for a number of years.
In these you have the pass in your top LHS pocket in your jacket and as you pass through the turnstile keep close to the scanner on the LHS. It detects your card with your details etc verifies it as been valid and opens the turnstile thingy.
The sacnner and turnstile are very close together so the following person cannot approach within range of the scanner before the preceeding person has gone through the gate.
Overall as a result no one has to get the lift pass out of their pockets, its all much quicker through the turnstiles and the amount of ski lift queuing is much reduced0 -
Person 2, not paying attention, swipes their card. Gates open. Person 1 goes through gates. Gates close before person 2 can enter.
Person 2 has just paid for Person 1's underground journey.
No, that shouldn't happen (not saying it would never happen). Depending on whether you are referreing to start or end of a trip:
Start of journey: nothing is deducted until the journey is completed. So if Person 2 gets through after Person 1(somehow) then the correct amount is deducted when Person 2 completes the journey. Person 1 will have a problem on arrival. If Person 2 didn't get through (the swipe only released Person 1) then a re-swipe won't normally open the gate. A staff member should open the gate. Since the card shows the correct departure point, the correct amount will be deducted on arrival. If a second swipe does open the gate, then given the short elapse of time, only one "departure" SHOULD be recorded.
End of journey: The correct amount will be deducted, since Person 2 has touched the card at the end the trip. Now if Person 2 can't get out, and touches again, the barrier won't open - staff should release the gate.
Oyster does have problems - a classic problem is where the gates are left open with staff waving people through. A stray "in" or "out" will result in the "max" fare being deducted. But the problem you describe shouldn't happen. Again... I won't say it never does!
Incidentally, if the gate closes on someone then the light sensors are supposed to require the person to backup fully before a second swipe is allowed. People often don't appreciate this and it can be difficult especially if someone is behind them. Hence the jam up.
An annoyance of the system is the "if in doubt deduct the maximum fare" thing. In Taipei, for example, it is just left as a dangling query and you resolve it at a ticket office within a short time. If you don't (not sure what the exact rule is) the barriers won't open for you - but it will never deduct the money on the basis of the worst case scenario. Locals would just see that as theft.0 -
Thanks for the replies - it's a bit clearer now!
Lin
You can tell a lot about a woman by her hands..........for instance, if they are placed around your throat, she's probably slightly upset.
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Halifax Visa debit cards issued to people living in Central London or with a large number of transactions there. The cards were issued over a short period of time in 2009/2010 (?) and I believe they have temporarily stopped issuing them now. Something to do with the Lloyds integration.which halifax cards have this?0 -
Most normal people wait for doors and the like to open before walking through them
I'm not most normal people You're spelling is effecting me so much. Im trying not to be phased by it but your all making me loose my mind on mass!! My head is loosing it's hair. I'm going to take myself off the electoral role like I should of done ages ago and move to the Caribean. I already brought my plane ticket, all be it a refundable 1.0
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