This was ranted at me last week.."Its ok for you, you don't have a mortgage"

Generali

bendix wrote: »

In this instance at least, he speaks for me.

Put me down too.

This stuff is waaay off topic.

Can we go back to calling each other parasites and debt junkies now please and stop talking about The Fox's poor old mum.

DervProf

julieq wrote: »

How do you think your mother would feel if she knew you were airing private family issues on the internet? This is something to be resolved in the family, not shouted to the four winds in a feeble attempt at self justification, and in my experience there are two sides to every story. You've denied your sister the opportunity of giving hers, and you've refused to consider any part of this from her perspective.

So calm down, !!!!!! and sort this out behind closed doors.

Now, now. I think it is you who needs to calm down (I won't use !!!!!!, as I am a little more polite).

Fox hasn't named names. I think what he/she was doing was giving anecdotal evidence on human behaviour related to debt. Fox's sister/mother haven't been named, and we don't know who The_Fox is, so what's the problem ?

julieq

Oh come off it DervProf, this has nothing to do with debt.

Fox doesn't approve of the way his sister spends money. He's had a tiff with her. And rather than resolving it with the people who could actually resolve it, i.e. his sisters and his mother, he's come running onto the internet to tell HIS side of the story on HIS terms. There's another story to tell here which would probably involve the use of the care of a parent to win an argument on sibling rivalries and priorities in life, which has the sniff of unpleasant emotional blackmail.

And guess what? Some people who generally agree with his view of the world will support him. Others will think it's insensitive and discourteous to the other people involved. I happen to be in group 2. If I were his mother I'd be mortified that my care was the subject of an argument being aired in front of total strangers.

It's not even the right place to post. There are plenty of "he said/I said" forums on the internet for discussing family problems.

Generali

julieq wrote: »

Oh come off it DervProf, this has nothing to do with debt.

Fox doesn't approve of the way his sister spends money. He's had a tiff with her. And rather than resolving it with the people who could actually resolve it, i.e. his sisters and his mother, he's come running onto the internet to tell HIS side of the story on HIS terms. There's another story to tell here which would probably involve the use of the care of a parent to win an argument on sibling rivalries and priorities in life, which has the sniff of unpleasant emotional blackmail.

And guess what? Some people who generally agree with his view of the world will support him. Others will think it's insensitive and discourteous to the other people involved. I happen to be in group 2. If I were his mother I'd be mortified that my care was the subject of an argument being aired in front of total strangers.

It's not even the right place to post. There are plenty of "he said/I said" forums on the internet for discussing family problems.

Her. The Fox is a woman.

Anyway I agree with you, this whole thing is still off topic. Just because someone writes the word debt or economy in the OP doesn't mean this board is the right place for it. This should go on the families board or the Arms I guess.

wotsthat

The CML have just announced a slump in January mortgage lending.

More importantly I'm having a Cornish Pasty for lunch and waiting for further updates from Foxy.

lostinrates

Generali wrote: »

Her. The Fox is a woman.

Anyway I agree with you, this whole thing is still off topic. Just because someone writes the word debt or economy in the OP doesn't mean this board is the right place for it. This should go on the families board or the Arms I guess.

Hmm. Lots of us explore the big topics by their impact on us. I feel its as valid a starting point for some of us. I just don't agree with the point

The_Fox_3

ladymarmalade1970 wrote: »

I have said this before and i will say it again. There are some extremely nasty people on this site! You should be ashamed of yourselves and hugs to you Fox....
For all the nice people out there. Hang in, it's worth it just to see the spiteful, vindicitive ******s fall lol.

Thanks for the support lady, and i have no doubts in my mind that most people are in fact decent. i even find that to be true in my business(except for the BTL reptiles of course).:). Things will turn, and we will look back on certain groups and individuals in our history books and view them with disdain like we did with people who sent children up chimneys or Victorian landlords and supporters of slavery.

Like i said "most" people are decent, the one sizable group of people in the UK that are not are the insecure "my house is more expensive than yours" brigade. My point is made more by the people who attack me in this thread than i could ever make myself. How anyone could ever put property and material wealth above family and friends makes me sink to the stomach, it is that kind of greed in this country that has caused so many of it's social ill's in recent times, but like i said i have complete faith in British people and the decent people they are. The Kirsty Allsopp breed and all of her followers are just a noisy sizable minority(many are on this board) which will soon be taken around the back of the shed and kindly put down.

Of course my point is relevent to the housing debate to those who are trying to say it is not. So many of us are sick to the back teeth of having to support those clinging on by their finger nails because they borrowed way too much and live in property they could never afford. And to Ghouls.....(i cannnot finish your name because you have so many) i have already bought property and paid for one outright, and given my time again i would much rather have had more of a life than pay for a expensive attractive jail, because that is what it was in some ways.

We in this country do not look after our old folk nothing like as much as we should, we pay nothing like we should be doing into our pensions, we allow billions of unpaid mortgage debt to be just written off, we have a huge percentage way behind their mortgage payments, WHY, because they are up to there necks in debt. Time and time again we have to make allowances for those that have borrowed to the hilt and expect the rest of us to subsidise them.

Yes i have an axe to grind in this one area, but apart from that i live on the wage that i bring and have a great social life, and i sleep like a log every night, and i nearly always have the time for those that i love if they are in trouble or need support, thats what makes us decent people(sibley, Julie) on not me me me money grabbing reptiles who's Gods are Kirsty Allsopp and "the only way is Essex" types.

Fox

Hereward

The_Fox wrote: »

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My point is made more by the people who attack me in this thread than i could ever make myself. How anyone could ever put property and material wealth above family and friends makes me sink to the stomach, it is that kind of greed in this country that has caused so many of it's social ill's in recent times, but like i said i have complete faith in British people and the decent people they are.
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People debating on this thread don't have enogh infomrtaion to counter this point. For example, how do we know if your sister hasn't put her childern's wellbeing before your mother's? What about her wellbeing?

It's easy for you to say that she only cares about material things, but there is another side to this story that we're not hearing.

julieq

Very selective analysis too. Save for a pension = virtue. Use BTL for a pension = spawn of devil. Save for a pension and your fund invests in residential property? Attitude Unknown. Sell mum's house to pay for care? Attitude unknown (for the avoidance of doubt this is what I'm doing if and when the time comes, my children are well aware of that and I leave them to make their own way in life and set their own financial priorities).

But as a demonstration of self righteous hubris you'd have a job beating it. I can imagine Fox's sister gets a tad tired of being lectured to about what decent people do and her temper probably snapped. She's probably living within her means anyway, but using credit, like many people do. Nothing at all wrong with that, it's not what I do, but plenty of perfectly decent people I know do.

Oh, and we're not paying billions for people defaulting on mortgages in the UK either.

ultrawomble

julieq wrote: »

Oh, and we're not paying billions for people defaulting on mortgages in the UK either.

Just several hundred million.