Migrants free to claim full benefits

BleepinHell

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Erm....why can't they just start a new special scheme?

Can't imagine France doing anything but sticking two fingers up to this kind of thing, why do we have to be so different?

Exactly. Lets see a program following a couple of Brits as they test the ability to access benefits in other E U member states.

I cant see it happening, as it would show us up as the soft touch we are. Could you really see a British couple getting preferential housing and health care in France? Anywhere for that matter?

BleepinHell

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Latvian Average Salary 2009 = £6,500 (ish)

Annual Salary at UK minimum wage = £12,000 (ish)
Maximum benefits for large family = £25,000 (ish)

Latvian Population = 2.2 million

Now tell me how many Latvian families will not migrate to UK?

Put it another way. You are slaving away in this country earning average salary £25K a year. You learn that by going to (say) Portugal they had a benefits system that would pay you around £80K to £100K a year for sitting around watching Sky TV all day. Why would you not migrate to Portugal?

I would be off like a shot.

Pobby

House prices still going up. Oh well.

Loughton_Monkey

robin_banks wrote: »

Get your facts straight.



A person with no recourse to public funds (NRPF) is someone who is subject to immigration control (from non-EU countries abroad) and has no entitlement to welfare benefits (for example, who is not a permanent resident), or to Border and Immigration Agency (BIA) support for asylum seekers. Typically, services and benefits from which NRPF people are excluded from include

• help with housing from the local authority
• attendance allowance
• carers allowance (previously invalid care allowance)
• child benefit
• council tax benefit
• disability living allowance
• housing benefit
• income support
• income-based jobseeker’s allowance
• severe disablement allowance
• social fund payments
• child tax credit
• working tax credit
• pension credit

Typically, homeless people in this category will be nationals of the Central and Eastern European states and failed asylum seekers who do not qualify for or have not registered for Section 4 support.
People from the EU accession states, also termed Central and Eastern European countries (CEEs) are allowed to come to the UK and work, but they do not receive public benefits like other European Union citizens. Nationals of EU10 countries, apart from Romania and Bulgaria, can join the worker registration scheme, which entitles them to reside in the UK and work here as long as they register as soon as they find employment. After one year of continuous employment, they can apply for residency. Romanians and Bulgarians, while able to enter the UK for up to three months freely, have to get permission to work and can only stay in the UK longer than three months without a work permit if they are a) a student b) self employed c) self sufficient d) have completed 12 months continuous employment in the UK e) are married to a UK national f) are a family member of an EU citizen. If they cannot show they are in one of these categories, they may be breaking the law by staying in the UK more than three months. They will not be entitled to any benefits. Currently, if an EU10 national has been unemployed for over one month they are without access to public funds.


Source : http://handbooks.homeless.org.uk/streetoutreach/deliveringquality/engagement/norecourse

Well why try to paste something the vast majority of which is about non-EU people?

I'm well aware of other so-called 'barriers' to EU 'benefit migrants' but (a) they are only as good or bad as our Social Services can 'police', (b) they are duty bound to provide basic benefits to destitute people who have come here, and (c) it will only take a handful of about a dozen of them to take UK to European Court of Human Rights who would almost certainly insist we pay benefits.

Pobby

Brilliant. Well done Nu Labour. Was pretty obvious to me that the open door policy might, sort of, work as long as there was decent employment. As soon as there was a downturn, only idiots and Brown couldn`t see it, the whole thing messed up.

It is no wonder that older people like us, having paid huge amounts of taxes ( £24k over 13 months at one point just for myself
) feel pretty fed up with it. Our annuities have crashed. Stuff is inflating at a shocking rate, and savings are earning nothing.

House prices are a joke, not quite as side splitting as Ireland, but never the less, to my mind they are seriously over priced.

State pensions are some of the worst in Europe. Maybe I should have got into BTL. OOOps, perhaps not. IRs are 0.5%. Mind you, the economy is so broke, perhaps we will have to put up with massive inflation because, to my mind, any return to the average IRs would tip the country over.

Thought this scary.

http://www.debtbombshell.com/

Oh dear it is still going up.

julieq

Erm, it isn't the fault of migrants that annuity rates are reducing. It's the result of increased life expectancy, an aging population and reduced returns on investment for fund managers which is a result essentially of people in OTHER countries accepting less to do the same thing and cutting margins for everyone. You're actually better off if there's mass migration to somewhere with a high minimum wage.

And having access to a young workforce who work cheaply is good for aging pensions who don't work.

Overwhelmingly migrants work. Migration produces a net benefit to the economy, that's to say that we make more from them in tax and NI than they cost us. I know that is a hard pill to swallow for the little Englanders who like to see Johnny Foreigner as the threat to all they hold dear, but frankly I have very little sympathy for people who just expect to sit on their backsides while the rest of the world gives them a risk free living.