CSA Advice Second Job

lovetohorde

PlayingHardball wrote: »

Yes, I totally agree with the above. If this guy is willing to work his butt off to get ahead in life then good on him!

The only hitch would be if the OP only worked 2 part time jobs in order to reduce the amount of child support payable in declaring they only worked one part time job.

Did that make sense?

Sorry I dont get it

But it is late... can you explain? please

AnxiousMum

Basically what has been said is that if you work full time in one job, and choose to do a second part time job - then great - you're prepared to put in the hours, and we don't think you should have to pay child support on the extra amount - but, unfortunately for you, that's not our decision to make!

However, the loophole in that would be that if you worked two part time jobs - claiming only one of them in order to lower the amount you had to pay in child support - that would be wrong if that's what the intention was.

gratefulforhelp_2

lovetohorde wrote: »

What do you think gentleman?

PlayingHardball wrote: »

Well, I'm not a gentleman and hope this thread is not exclusive to gentlemen, but I personally think both parties should play by the rules.

Indeed I think gentlemen are few and far between (present company excepted of course!)

OP the mental stress of this may well not be worth the extra cash, have you considered this??

kelloggs36

mrsspendalot wrote: »

Ah! Now this changes things potentially. If you have been reassessed 3 or 4 times and during that time you had the 2nd job and never declared it, then you have failed to give them information they have asked for. This could mean then that if and when they find out about your 2nd job they may well decide to backdate arrears.

And prosecution and a potential fine for knowingy providing false information.

Fission

lovetohorde wrote: »

Nope... only main job.

The longer it goes on with regards them not knowing the more paranoid I am getting they will find out.

OK you probably wont like this but declaring only some of your income when asked about it for a review is a criminal offence. That is obvious. You're right to be concerned.

The best thing would be to come clean as you suggest. Declare the extra earnings back to the date of the review and accept the increase. You're not likely to be prosecuted if you admit it and bring it to their attention. You're more likely to be prosecuted if you dont admit and if it comes to light some other way. Thats how all government departments work, even the customs and excise.

xxtokerxx

i was always under the impression that if you did not inform the CSA of changes in salary or jobs that you would be liable for a £1,000 fine.

The fact they have missed these off on their re-assessments bring a big question - Did they not ask for your payslips each time, which means you would have been required to submit all your payslips including your new place of work.

Personally I would do nothing to blatantly disregard the CSA as they have a tendency to come down and come down hard.

The risk is yours, they have a lot of cases and you could try and avoid it but to be honest seems a little mental to take the risk when the CSA try and contact employers and send threatening letters.

I would call them, explain the situation state you hadn't even thought about contacting them and wanted to inform them and ask for them to send you a letter detailing the payments.

With any luck they will not discuss any arrears in which case you have nothing to worry about, but if you have been making money and not declaring it they unfortunately have the power to demand for the arrears.

If the arrears mounts up to be a lot then I would suggest trying to pay it over multiple months, but they will probably demand a lump sum or 40% of your earnings.

If you pay by standing order you can control how much you repay them so long as you paying at least the required 15% of your NET.

The CSA have no legal right to make you essentially broke in the same respect to this the courts will favour the CSA if you have been "splashing the cash" on non essentials so make sure that you can always afford the 15% any arrears on top of that you could try to negotiate a payment plan that allows you to still continue having a half decent life.

xxtokerxx

mrsspendalot wrote: »

I have to say, when I had my private arrangement I was totally ok with my ex pocketing all the overtime he earned. I encouraged him to work overtime to give himself some extra cash and even changed the contact to fit around it where necessary. If he wanted to bust his guts and work 12hrs a day, I felt he deserved the reward! I think the same could be said of a 2nd job really.

That's a very honourable thing of you to do, too many dads get exploited by the CSA.

That is not to say that too many dads run away and expect no responsibility but when a dad is making his payments that is very good of you to allow him to improve his personal life as well.

mrsspendalot

xxtokerxx wrote: »

That's a very honourable thing of you to do, too many dads get exploited by the CSA.

That is not to say that too many dads run away and expect no responsibility but when a dad is making his payments that is very good of you to allow him to improve his personal life as well.

.... yes, I felt it was a decent thing to do also. I was very aware when we separated that he needed enough money to live on as well as I did and had no desire to ruin him. I think that is the good thing about private arrangements when they work. They can be much more easily negotiated to be fair to both parties.

However, it has to be said, he didn't show the same 'honour' towards me last year when he decided to stop paying a penny for his children. I have just managed to get sorted now with the CSA after complaints etc. and can confirm that the first maintenance payment in a year has now hit my bank account. I certainly find it hard to be quite so considerate towards him now, and as far as I am concerned he is at the mercy of the CSA now. At least I know I was always fair towards him; my conscience is the clear one

xxtokerxx

mrsspendalot wrote: »

.... yes, I felt it was a decent thing to do also. I was very aware when we separated that he needed enough money to live on as well as I did and had no desire to ruin him. I think that is the good thing about private arrangements when they work. They can be much more easily negotiated to be fair to both parties.

However, it has to be said, he didn't show the same 'honour' towards me last year when he decided to stop paying a penny for his children. I have just managed to get sorted now with the CSA after complaints etc. and can confirm that the first maintenance payment in a year has now hit my bank account. I certainly find it hard to be quite so considerate towards him now, and as far as I am concerned he is at the mercy of the CSA now. At least I know I was always fair towards him; my conscience is the clear one

That's a fair way of doing it, unfortunately looks like I got the other end of the stick, didn't even get a chance to try a private arrangement I did offer £250 which incidently is more than what she'll get through the CSA but she wanted stupid amounts £450-£500 shortly after that due to harsh situations presenting themselves I stopped all contact and said DNA and CSA before avoiding contact with her or the family - CSA are right bullies so I am sure your ex is getting what he deserves.