Lies, Damn Lies and Youth Unemployment

blueboy43

ILW wrote: »

If 1 in 5 or so are out of work, what are the other 4 out of 5 doing different?

roughly 45% of 18 year olds go onto higher education.

I would say at least 80% of 16 year olds either stay on at school or go into some form of further education.

Hereward

blueboy43 wrote: »

roughly 45% of 18 year olds go onto higher education.

I would say at least 80% of 16 year olds either stay on at school or go into some form of further education.

The ones that stay on in education don't count in the numbers available to work, so aren't part of the 4 in 5 that aren't unemployed.

blueboy43

Hereward wrote: »

The ones that stay on in education don't count in the numbers available to work, so aren't part of the 4 in 5 that aren't unemployed.

see post number 9

Hereward

blueboy43 wrote: »

see post number 9

ILW asked what the other 4 in 5 young people were dong right, and you responded with education, I was just reiterating your own fact that the ones in education aren't in the 4 in 5 that aren't unemployed.

kabayiri

abaxas wrote: »

Longer education is not the same as better standards.

I cant beleive people still fall for that.

I understand this. Personally, as someone with an engineering degree background, I wonder what benefit some modern subjects provide.

Is mass higher education therefore of limited value? We can't just ignore large numbers of young people without work.

A._Badger

kabayiri wrote: »

I understand this. Personally, as someone with an engineering degree background, I wonder what benefit some modern subjects provide.

Is mass higher education therefore of limited value? We can't just ignore large numbers of young people without work.

I think most realistic observers realise it can be of extremely limited value.

I suspected at the time of the first big push to increase HE that it was (at least in part) being done to get youngsters off the unemployment lists to bolster the government's claim of having eased the level of unemployment.

blueboy43

Hereward wrote: »

ILW asked what the other 4 in 5 young people were dong right, and you responded with education, I was just reiterating your own fact that the ones in education aren't in the 4 in 5 that aren't unemployed.

It is not straightforward as that.

The ONS split people in this group into either in Full time education or not in full time education. In both groups you can then either be

1)employed
2) unemployed
3) economically inactive

If we look at the cohort that is not in full time education then the latest figures are;

1) employed 2871k
2) unemployed 691k
3) economically inactive 793k (that is people don't satisfy ILO definition of being unemployed)


pretty depressing no matter how you try and spin it.

vaporate

blueboy43 wrote: »

It is not straightforward as that.

The ONS split people in this group into either in Full time education or not in full time education. In both groups you can then either be

1)employed
2) unemployed
3) economically inactive

If we look at the cohort that is not in full time education then the latest figures are;

1) employed 2871k
2) unemployed 691k
3) economically inactive 793k (that is people don't satisfy ILO definition of being unemployed)


pretty depressing no matter how you try and spin it.[/QUOTE]

Ask a Tory :beer:

They have done sweet FA to tackle the problem. At least Labour did with the future job fund scheme.

Gorgeous_George

They simply haven't thought it through.

The accusation is that baby boomers have ramped house prices thereby denying the younger generation the joy of homeownership. Not only that but the baby boomers racked up massive debts to be paid for by the youth.

Sadly, the idiots in charge now legislate to make people live longer (smoking ban, no cheap booze, encourage healthy living). Living longer costs more in pensions so they make us all work longer. Does anybody really want to live long enough to die of something different and to spend more years at work? The upshot is that people working longer (often at the top of their pay scales) denies younger people a job - making homeownership even less likely.

For goodness sake, bring back TV advertising for fags, encourage more happy hours - let people eat what they like without the need to feel guilty. This will make way for the younger generations. If you cannot afford to pay pensions, put a time limit on them.

Over population leads to wars. We can die from enjoying our lives or by fighting for the limited resources that the world has to offer.

GG

ILW

Lets have a pro drink driving campaign. We all did it in the seventies.