Not paid tax for 10 years. Help!

PlutoinCapricorn

People often come forward with such claims, which prove to have no substance: Council Tax in another example.

If it were possible, it would be on here. Look what MSE has done in connection with reclaiming bank and credit card charges and informing people that TV licence checkers have no right of entry for example.

bonethrower

PlutoinCapricorn wrote: »

People often come forward with such claims, which prove to have no substance: Council Tax in another example.

If it were possible, it would be on here. Look what MSE has done in connection with reclaiming bank and credit card charges and informing people that TV licence checkers have no right of entry for example.

I've heard all that debunking talk before, people are required to pay council tax solely because the solicitor who handled the purchase of said house passed ownership of said property to land registry on your behalf, and its land registry that grants permission for council tax. I've mentioned this before, when you register something, you are usually passing ownership of something, but to create a valid contract they must give you something in return, this is normally limited rights to do something. A solicitor is merely an actor, and not even a good one! and with council tax, you were defeated before you even started. If you check your property deeds, in most cases you will find you are listed as the tenant! Also regarding planning consent, if you need someone's permission to extend your home, then quite simply, you don't actually own it!
Before the next debunker speaks, have a look at the V5 document of your car, you are merely the keeper, you are not the owner, ownership was passed to DVLA at first registration, and is continually reaffirmed with every new keeper. - Its all out there in broad daylight, but most of you have blinkers on and can only see what you want to see. What I have told you is just the tip of the iceberg, and i will go no further, it's quite evident that most people here are just not ready to have their illusions shattered. You're quite welcome to go back to sleep now, but i'll leave you with this:
Someday you will wake up and realise the people in this world, you think you can really trust, don't actually have your best interests at heart.

Randvegeta

bonethrower wrote: »

I've heard all that debunking talk before, people are required to pay council tax solely because the solicitor who handled the purchase of said house passed ownership of said property to land registry on your behalf, and its land registry that grants permission for council tax. I've mentioned this before, when you register something, you are usually passing ownership of something, but to create a valid contract they must give you something in return, this is normally limited rights to do something. A solicitor is merely an actor, and not even a good one! and with council tax, you were defeated before you even started. If you check your property deeds, in most cases you will find you are listed as the tenant! Also regarding planning consent, if you need someone's permission to extend your home, then quite simply, you don't actually own it!
Before the next debunker speaks, have a look at the V5 document of your car, you are merely the keeper, you are not the owner, ownership was passed to DVLA at first registration, and is continually reaffirmed with every new keeper. - Its all out there in broad daylight, but most of you have blinkers on and can only see what you want to see. What I have told you is just the tip of the iceberg, and i will go no further, it's quite evident that most people here are just not ready to have their illusions shattered. You're quite welcome to go back to sleep now, but i'll leave you with this:
Someday you will wake up and realise the people in this world, you think you can really trust, don't actually have your best interests at heart.

Again, where's the evidence? Case studies? Past examples?

If such scenarios were true, it would be a legal loophole that would be closed if anyone were to actually use it (and challenged).

FTBFun

bonethrower wrote: »

I've heard all that debunking talk before, people are required to pay council tax solely because the solicitor who handled the purchase of said house passed ownership of said property to land registry on your behalf, and its land registry that grants permission for council tax. I've mentioned this before, when you register something, you are usually passing ownership of something, but to create a valid contract they must give you something in return, this is normally limited rights to do something. A solicitor is merely an actor, and not even a good one! and with council tax, you were defeated before you even started. If you check your property deeds, in most cases you will find you are listed as the tenant! Also regarding planning consent, if you need someone's permission to extend your home, then quite simply, you don't actually own it!
Before the next debunker speaks, have a look at the V5 document of your car, you are merely the keeper, you are not the owner, ownership was passed to DVLA at first registration, and is continually reaffirmed with every new keeper. - Its all out there in broad daylight, but most of you have blinkers on and can only see what you want to see. What I have told you is just the tip of the iceberg, and i will go no further, it's quite evident that most people here are just not ready to have their illusions shattered. You're quite welcome to go back to sleep now, but i'll leave you with this:
Someday you will wake up and realise the people in this world, you think you can really trust, don't actually have your best interests at heart.

More rubbish. I think you need to stay away from conspiracy theorist blogs.

notatvstar

Well.. I'm not connected to this thread in any way - but I saw that peeps come and post with this dilemma and then run away - not letting anyone know how things have gone for them. I just thought I'd give you a story...

I hold my hand up and confess right now that I did something similar. I do a lot of free-lance teaching for various educational establishments (ontop of my full time job) and (as I found out last year) not all of them pre-pay the tax or NI on your earnings.

I found out as I got a letter from HMRC saying I had some undeclared earnings for the previous tax year. I freaked out... and checked what paperwork I had for that year (not a lot... I'm a scientist and not an accountant!). I made some calls to who I had worked for and came to the conclusion that I was in deep doo-doo. I had (at that point) been doing this free-lance teaching thing for 8 years.

... Back then, my filing system composed of several supermarket carrier bags which I had not got around to throwing out yet. (Do you think I'm kidding!?).

I PANIC. I ring up HMRC and basically cry down the phone at them telling them EVERYTHING... (as all the accountants gasp in horror!). Yep - I did. Proper cried I did. Snot and everything.

The woman on the line was very nice. She calmed me down and basically said I had some time to sort the paperwork out so use it wisely, work out what I earned and from who, send everything to her and she'll do the rest.

I go home and rifle through some plaggy-bags of !!!! that had lived under the bed for years. Some of which had evolved their own eco systems. I ring up (yep!) all the establishments where I taught and asked for statements of earnings for all the years I worked for them and file them in tax-years. I compile a load of excel spreadsheets - gather all bank statements, P60's, P45 etc etc - put in folders (organised per tax year) and posted the job lot to HMRC with a covering letter admitting my 'negligence' along with all my bank statements highlighting payments that had not been previously declared.

Basically everything you're not supposed to do.

The meanwhile I register online as a company and sort out my NI contributions with a phone-call.

I got a letter from the HMRC thanking me for doing a good job for them (yes - I know), also a congratulations for excellent record keeping (plaggy-bag system did the job!) and then a bill for tax and class 4 contributions. Interest included, but minimal fine (10%) for 'full compliance' - the whole thing was actually less than what I thought it would be! I asked for them to wait for a couple of months as I couldn't released funds to pay the bill immediately - they said sure and wrote to confirm that they'd wait.

Paid the bill

Everybody's happy.

I know some accountants would freak and say don't ever go to HMRC without representation, but I have to say they were great with me. Perhaps I was lucky... I must admit my teaching earnings don't amount to more than 10 grand a year so I know I'm small fry. You hear nightmare stories though.

I submit my own tax returns online. It's relatively straight forward now. I don't bother setting anything against my tax although I know I should, but I'd rather keep it simple than make any horrendous mistakes.

If you find yourself in this or a similar position you MUST seek help and proper advice as soon as you possibly can.

I think I got it sorted in about 2 months in all...

Good luck

PlutoinCapricorn

Notatvstar, I hope that your experience will encourage others to contact HMRC, confess and pay up. I can remember one or two people who came on MSE to say they had not been paying tax, and although many people gave them a lot of good advice we never heard from them again.

I do think that you should be claiming legitimate business expenses though.

Bonethrower might be better off finding disciples in the Freeman on the Land section on David Icke's website, at least where council tax is concerned! We pay council tax because we receive services: I make extensive use of my local library for example.

sunshinetours

Bonethrower you have been reading too many conspiracy websites, The simple fact that you compare a V5 document with registration of land shows you understand half a story

Please also show me example with case references, of HMRC cases suing a tax payer for breach of contract, and the case being thrown our becase the tax payers has not agreed to being a party to that contract.

There are other reasons as to why registration of businesses are important in tax law (and the signing of such documents) but you clearly demonstrate a lack of understanding of all aspects of that. Interesting that your business is fully registered as you say.....

bonethrower

PlutoinCapricorn wrote: »

Notatvstar, I hope that your experience will encourage others to contact HMRC, confess and pay up. I can remember one or two people who came on MSE to say they had not been paying tax, and although many people gave them a lot of good advice we never heard from them again.

I do think that you should be claiming legitimate business expenses though.

Bonethrower might be better off finding disciples in the Freeman on the Land section on David Icke's website, at least where council tax is concerned! We pay council tax because we receive services: I make extensive use of my local library for example.

I merely pointed out the real reason why people are not winning in council tax court cases. I do take offence to the use of the word 'theory' in your reply, most of the information I have obtained and the snippets I have shared with you, came from a retired magistrate. I think you have clearly demonstrated the mind capacity of someone from Pluto.

MonkeyMad

bonethrower wrote: »

I merely pointed out the real reason why people are not winning in council tax court cases. I do take offence to the use of the word 'theory' in your reply, most of the information I have obtained and the snippets I have shared with you, came from a retired magistrate. I think you have clearly demonstrated the mind capacity of someone from Pluto.

So you get all this good stuff from an ex-magistrate? I wouldn't trust any of the serving magistrates I know to know anything about the application of property law at all (nor most others). Especially since you don't need know anything about the law yourself to become one.

Good job a qualified QC hasn't picked up on this to really test it.

Mikeyorks

bonethrower wrote: »

most of the information I have obtained and the snippets I have shared with you, came from a retired magistrate.

I used to do a lot of Magistrates Court work and most of the magistrates were senile and slept most of the afternoon. So lord only knows what the retired ones are like.The Clerk to the Court is the only one adjacent to the Bench who is allowed to have any active brain cells.