War on thousands of local borough council 'non-jobs'

Brallaqueen

ILW wrote: »

What about those that are promoted and do not perform?

I'm probably not being clear - everyone in management 'performs' because 'birds of a feather flock together'. You're promoted because you fall in line with the rest of the management team (and everyone thinks they are doing the right thing).

wolvoman

Voyager2002 wrote: »

I do wish that the people who post this kind of thing could try working in local government, or even visit a local authority. When I worked for a county council, my job was a new post, created to do the work of a five-person team that had been abolished (with five redundancies).

No, if you want to find people being paid well to do nothing, try looking at the banks.

People I know who work in banking work the most hours of anyone I know. I usually get to leave work at 7 or 8pm most weekdays - they'll not usually leave before 9 and they will be at their desk at 7 in the morning. Oh and weekends - sometimes they see their families.

ILW

Brallaqueen wrote: »

I'm probably not being clear - everyone in management 'performs' because 'birds of a feather flock together'. You're promoted because you fall in line with the rest of the management team (and everyone thinks they are doing the right thing).

Not quite the same, if a department does not perform in the private sector it will be closed down or the manager sacked. Within the public sector this was very rare in the past.

Brallaqueen

ILW wrote: »

Not quite the same, if a department does not perform in the private sector it will be closed down or the manager sacked. Within the public sector this was very rare in the past.

Exactly - in the public sector perfomring doesn't have the concrete definition as it does in the private sector. Merely being 'on board ' with the directives is enough to keep your job.

I am a bitter public sector admin monkey :rotfl:

FTBFun

ILW wrote: »

So what is involved in getting rid of a poorly performing middle manager?

It does appear that a manager in the public sector suffering from stress will be given 6 months sick leave, whereas in the private sector he or she will be deemed to be "not up to the job" and demoted or sacked.

Teachers appear to be a good example of this anomaly.

I know of a case of the former happening in the private sector (ish).

Sacking someone for stress is a great way to get sued btw. Especially if the employer hasn't offered mitigation in anyway.

ILW

FTBFun wrote: »

I know of a case of the former happening in the private sector (ish).

Sacking someone for stress is a great way to get sued btw. Especially if the employer hasn't offered mitigation in anyway.

I believe you do tend to get a different breed of manager within the private sector. Most contracts tend to have non performance clauses which are absent in public sector contracts.

I believe over the lst 10 years or so, only around 7 teachers have been dismissed for being useless.

quantic

Just remember, for every bouncy castle attendant there will be at least 3 other people watching him/her attend the bouncy castle.

ILW

quantic wrote: »

Just remember, for every bouncy castle attendant there will be at least 3 other people watching him/her attend the bouncy castle.

It is possible that they want a manger for a real castle, but due to their diversity policy they want a fat one as lardies are under represented within the workforce.

Academic

I know that some of you don't like the facts to get in the way of a good storey but in an attempt to put a bit of perspective on some of the anti-council vitriol.........

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12549785

Laughing_man

Voyager2002 wrote: »

I do wish that the people who post this kind of thing could try working in local government, or even visit a local authority. When I worked for a county council, my job was a new post, created to do the work of a five-person team that had been abolished (with five redundancies).

No, if you want to find people being paid well to do nothing, try looking at the banks.

I can't decide if this post's irony is intentional or not.

If so, well played.