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War on thousands of local borough council 'non-jobs'

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  • Voyager2002
    Voyager2002 Posts: 16,349 Forumite
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    I do wish that the people who post this kind of thing could try working in local government, or even visit a local authority. When I worked for a county council, my job was a new post, created to do the work of a five-person team that had been abolished (with five redundancies).

    No, if you want to find people being paid well to do nothing, try looking at the banks.
  • ninky_2
    ninky_2 Posts: 5,872 Forumite
    bendix wrote: »
    The leisured classes are even more leisured. Yesterday saw a report attacking the public sector sicknote culture that saw the average public sector employee too around 8.3 sick days a year, compared to 5.7 (I think, certainly under 6) for the private sector.

    No doubt the public sector apologists will come forward now to say that being a bouncy castle coordinator is particularly stressful.


    and how many in the private sector (particularly above a certain level) do "working from home" days? or "blackberry fridays" as we called it at one particular company where the office was an exec free zone as the weekend approached.

    many more are sitting on social network sites for several hours a day.

    to me it's only an issue if someone throws a sickie and the work doesn't get done. of course that might well be the case more in public sector jobs if they are more crucial.
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  • bendix
    bendix Posts: 5,499 Forumite
    ninky wrote: »
    and how many in the private sector (particularly above a certain level) do "working from home" days? or "blackberry fridays" as we called it at one particular company where the office was an exec free zone as the weekend approached.

    many more are sitting on social network sites for several hours a day.

    to me it's only an issue if someone throws a sickie and the work doesn't get done. of course that might well be the case more in public sector jobs if they are more crucial.

    Are those people who are working from home or having blackberry Friday's being paid by taxpayers, ninky?

    No.

    End of discussion.

    Furthermore, the ONS reports adnauseum about the growing disparity between productivity levels in the private and public sectors. Guess which is increasing and which is declining?

    How private companies manage low performing staff is a private matter and of interest only to management and shareholders. When low productivity in the public sector becomes endemnic, it is a matter for ALL of us.
  • Heyman_2
    Heyman_2 Posts: 1,819 Forumite
    ILW wrote: »
    Why should a council be running a bouncy castle?

    I don't know why but this made me LOL :D

    Bouncy Castle Attendant - I can see it now at a dinner party.

    So what do you do?

    I'm a Bouncy Castle Attendant.

    Oh.
  • My OH - LG employee - claims biggest waste is duplication of jobs between County and Distict Councils (also often Social Services). Usually they don't liase with each other so several sets of people are doing virtually the same thing.....

    What's new?

    This is traditionally handled by recruiting another bunch of 'liaison' officers to... er... co-ordinate the duplications. This is 'Parkinson's Law' at its finest. [And I don't just mean the idiom, I mean Parkinson's book about this subject].
  • julieq
    julieq Posts: 2,603 Forumite
    The private sector is measured against return to shareholders. That maintains a level of efficiency. Fail to meet expectations and your share price collapses and you get taken over.

    There's no such measure in the public sector, and arguably higher levels of unionisation mean that any attempt to increase efficiency is difficult to impose. You'll do well even to get a public sector employee even to admit they could be more efficient, let alone impose measures on performance as stringent as in the private sector. That's why HR is unpopular I imagine, because HR is the function that measures and questions productivity.

    No-one is saying that the private sector is the Acme of productivity or that the Public sector is a sink for the idle, but on objective measures such as sick days there is some way to go in the public sector.
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    bendix wrote: »
    Are those people who are working from home or having blackberry Friday's being paid by taxpayers, ninky?

    No.

    End of discussion.

    Furthermore, the ONS reports adnauseum about the growing disparity between productivity levels in the private and public sectors. Guess which is increasing and which is declining?

    How private companies manage low performing staff is a private matter and of interest only to management and shareholders. When low productivity in the public sector becomes endemnic, it is a matter for ALL of us.


    That sums it up for me.
  • vaporate
    vaporate Posts: 1,955 Forumite
    ILW wrote: »
    Why should a council be running a bouncy castle?

    For the counselors probably lol.
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  • RacyRed
    RacyRed Posts: 4,930 Forumite
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    ninky wrote: »
    and how many in the private sector (particularly above a certain level) do "working from home" days? or "blackberry fridays" as we called it at one particular company where the office was an exec free zone as the weekend approached.

    many more are sitting on social network sites for several hours a day.

    to me it's only an issue if someone throws a sickie and the work doesn't get done. of course that might well be the case more in public sector jobs if they are more crucial.

    Why the hell can't I ever find one of these cushy private sector jobs? Somebody PLEASE name names and I'll apply immediately :cool:

    On Fridays I used to get a whole 1 hour lunch break and maybe only have to do an extra half hour unpaid overtime - sometimes :(
    My first reply was witty and intellectual but I lost it so you got this one instead :D
    Proud to be a chic shopper
    :cool:
  • abaxas
    abaxas Posts: 4,141 Forumite
    !!!!!!.

    There goes my chances of ever becoming a 'non-job equality co-ordinator'. I wanted to keep equality and diversity in the workforce, from people who could do the job, right down to those who you wouldn't trust to pick their own nose.

    What can I do now? I have a 2-1 degree in 'doing frock all' from the university of just east of Watford.
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