Refurb bathroom where do you start?

phill99

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

I think you misunderstand.

You install the bath & shower BEFORE you tile.....

It stops your kitchen flooding... Or whatever is underneath them!

My point exactly

1984ReturnsForReal_2

phill99 wrote: »

My point exactly

I know, but I know genny hasn't got the point & is leaving burnt out consumer units & flooded kitchens everywhere they go..


I wonder if genny works for Npower?

diable

For me it will be remove ceiling, remove render from two walls then remove wood lathe and plaster from third wall, remove old sash window and then line walls and install new window. Then the floor etc etc etc

BoxerfanUK

Tiling before fitting a sink/toilet is ok, but always always always fit baths and showers FIRST, then seal with bathroom sillicone mastic between shower/bath and wall, then tile, then seal again between tile and bath/shower. You then have a nice double waterproof seal.

genny

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

No you cant
Not many consumer units can take 2 electric showers

You upgrade the consumer unit, obviously if yours isn't rated high enough. Thought it was a bit OTT to state the obvious, but clearly some people need it...

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

I think you misunderstand.
You install the bath & shower BEFORE you tile.....
It stops your kitchen flooding... Or whatever is underneath them!

Personally (and we've done this a lot with our builders and plumbers recommendations: all get very high ratings on MyBuilder and SafeLocalTrades so know their onions) we tile first completely when installing a WC, basin and shower. We've not done this with a bath. But it depends on your finish. Nothing has ever flooded, but we don't skip on labour nor installations, we are only interested in top quality. 15 years have passed for our en-suite and it's still perfect, water tight and looks as good as when when installed. However I can see the benefit for double sealing with a bath, and tiling afterwards.

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

I know, but I know genny hasn't got the point & is leaving burnt out consumer units & flooded kitchens everywhere they go..
I wonder if genny works for Npower?

How very egregious of you; incorrect assumptions at every corner. Fourtunately I'm a teacher, not that it's any of your business, but we've done up enough houses to know how to do things.

I wonder if the people who spend time being agressive on forums actually have a real life, or live a fantasy on-line - goodness how exciting it must be for you.

Have to dash, class of sixth formers baiting for knowledge.

HooCanTellMee

Many thanks to everyone,
I pointed out that we wouldn't be able to fit two electric showers, just because it wasn't something I had ever thought about. It might clue someone else in. I do understand why, it seems a mixer shower would be alright, I take it this would not need the higher fuse rating, so no problem. Don't really want to start mucking about with the electrics that would just cost more, and lengthen the job. Genny I get what you mean about the tiling now, though the pipe work for the shower would have to be put into the wall before I tile, plumber said it would need dedicated water feeds, I wasn't sure whether you tile below the bath height, have had a lot of trouble with bath seals moving, breaking the seal.
All advice is being taken on board, I have never "done" a bathroom before, my hubby is totally disinterested, hates diy
and sees no point in changing the fittings at all, he says if it works don't fix it! Even if it is a disgusting pink suite, and everyone uses the en suite shower. Teenagers seem to much prefer the shower rather than run a bath. This is me deciding if the house is for life, I will have it how I want it. Next stop kitchen............

pinkteapot

We recently redid all our bathrooms and had two electric showers installed (did involve an upgrade of something on our board). We have pretty poor water pressure upstairs so I wouldn't have wanted a mixer shower without a pump, and pumps are (a) expensive and (b) noisy. So it is possible with suitable electrical upgrades.

One thing with two electric showers - you can't run them both at the same time. Well, you could try it but we've never been brave enough! As I understand it the average house is supplied with about 100amps and electric showers are about 45amps each. So if we turned on the second while the first was running then we'd probably blow the main fuse.

For our bathrooms the bath/shower trays went in first, then the tiling was done, then the toilets/sinks were put in.

HooCanTellMee

Thanks pinkteapot,
New light on the subject, didn't realise that even if we upgraded the fuses, we couldn't use both showers at once. Our water pressure is ok, the plumber didn't recommend fitting a pump, so I take it we wouldn't need one, but I will ask him!
We probably wouldn't want to use two showers at once, my daughter likes to shower in the morning before college, my husband at night and my sons as little as possible! Having said that, get the youngest in a shower and then wonder how he can stay in there for nearly an hour! Wonder if you can get a shower with a timer? Maybe a loud alarm or a brief blast of cold water, no not really, that would be cruel!

HooCanTellMee

Thanks Andrew-b,
It is very unlikely the showers would be used at the same time, it would just be nice for my daughter to be able to shower in the morning without having to wander through our bedroom and occupy our en suite. Also if I am having the bathroom done it will make sense to put a shower in, then the job will be done and dusted, don't want to have to start again in a couple of years, the bathroom will hopefully last as long as we do!
The tiling tip makes sense, or en suite has been done in the way you suggest! It did leak at one time, but that was the waste water pipe, under the shower unit.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

HooCanTellMee wrote: »

Thanks Andrew-b,
It is very unlikely the showers would be used at the same time

You do not want to be fitting 2 electric showers in a house with a normal consumer unit. To do this safely you would need to have 2 consumer units & a split supply.

Also despite what some are posting on here unless you have a wet room with a membrane under the floor surface you do not tile first & put a shower & bath in after.

These are both industry standard practice.