Shameless labour

ILW

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Yes, I watched that too, but what Sian "Raving Tory" Williams failed to mention, was that the redundancies started in the summer of last year. The cuts had already been announced and local authorities had already sacked thousands of workers.

I believe there have been virtually no sackings. Mainly natural wastage and not refilling positions.

vivatifosi

ILW wrote: »

I believe there have been virtually no sackings. Mainly natural wastage and not refilling positions.

Realistically the sackings will occur in the next financial year because the budgets for this FY were already set. However I agree, natural wastage and not refilling positions will keep the numbers down, as will the fact that many councils over the last few years have been recruiting for short-term contracts, rather than permanently.

Sir_Humphrey

A lot of warning notices were sent out to council workers at the end of last year, some of which made it clear that many posts would be for the chop.

Obviously, things like notice periods will mean that the chop would not come until the next financial year. Equally obviously, the economic impact would be in the current financial year as people immediately stop spending in expectation of imminent unemployment.

Also, bear in mind that private sector jobs dependent on public sector spending are also affected, and are not counted in the tally.

lemonjelly

vivatifosi wrote: »

Realistically the sackings will occur in the next financial year because the budgets for this FY were already set. However I agree, natural wastage and not refilling positions will keep the numbers down, as will the fact that many councils over the last few years have been recruiting for short-term contracts, rather than permanently.

Sackings/redundancies will take place around the end of this tax year/start of the next, as the new budgets kick in.

In example I am so far aware of at least 14 voluntary organisations in Birmingham who have had their LA funding cut, so when last years grant expires, they cannot affort to continue.

& these are relevant organisations, a sheltered housing scheme for the elderly, the local citizens advice bureau, & youth services.

lemonjelly

Sir_Humphrey wrote: »

A lot of warning notices were sent out to council workers at the end of last year, some of which made it clear that many posts would be for the chop.

Obviously, things like notice periods will mean that the chop would not come until the next financial year. Equally obviously, the economic impact would be in the current financial year as people immediately stop spending in expectation of imminent unemployment.

Also, bear in mind that private sector jobs dependent on public sector spending are also affected, and are not counted in the tally.

Plus the obligatory 90 day consultation period...

Sir_Humphrey

Anecdotally, I know one person (a carpenter) who has lost his job as a direct result of cuts to public building programmes. He lives in the Midlands.

A father of a friend (an engineer) lost his job at a car parts company in the recession, was rehired around the end of 2009 but who has been laid off again last autumn due to the economy up North stalling again.

Graham_Devon

Flyboy152 wrote: »

The sentence, "Why should someone have the right to something they cant pay for?" will haunt you for ever, hopefully.

Remember, Sed ibi gratia Dei es mei.

Why will it haunt me forever?

You still haven't been able to furnish me with why you think all this. All you seem capable of is this nonsense.

I'll ask again...

Can you please explain, rather than simply going off on tangents, how it's nasty, and you have no compassion if you believe people have a right to shelter, but not a right to own it if they can't afford it?

I can honestly not see how that can be construed as nasty, or having no compassion, or not giving a fig for your fellow man, yet you seem to be well off on tangents trying to make it out to be....so I'd love to know your reasoning.

Absolutely typical labour loony. All abuse and absolutely no substance, avoiding every question.

ILW

lemonjelly wrote: »

Sackings/redundancies will take place around the end of this tax year/start of the next, as the new budgets kick in.

In example I am so far aware of at least 14 voluntary organisations in Birmingham who have had their LA funding cut, so when last years grant expires, they cannot affort to continue.

& these are relevant organisations, a sheltered housing scheme for the elderly, the local citizens advice bureau, & youth services.

How can a worker in a voluntary organisation be made redundant?

Sir_Humphrey

ILW wrote: »

How can a worker in a voluntary organisation be made redundant?

Voluntary organisation is Newspeak for Charity which of course do have employees as well as volunteers.

Jennifer_Jane

I understand that the Coalition would like 'back office' staff and managers rather than the front line people to go. But I do wonder when this all starts to kick off, how many managers lose their jobs or take pay cuts ('No public service manager to earn more than the PM').

I would love to hear something about the top people feeling the crunch rather than the front line services, if anybody has any anecdotal evidence (which seems to have more gravitas than 'anecdotes'!).