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  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    JJ2734 wrote: »
    Do you not think that people who have worked all of their life and have contributed enough tax should not have to worry about care in old age?
    The people who do not have the money should have worked harder in their life and not sponge of the state all of their life.
    What an arrogant and selfish post. How dare you insult hard working people who cleaned your mess up, emptied your bins, cared for you when you were sick, taught you in school, drove your bus and your train and served you in the shop. What choice did they have?
    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
  • Torry_Quine
    Torry_Quine Posts: 18,872 Forumite
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    Flyboy152 wrote: »
    What an arrogant and selfish post. How dare you insult hard working people who cleaned your mess up, emptied your bins, cared for you when you were sick, taught you in school, drove your bus and your train and served you in the shop. What choice did they have?


    Sadly that attitude is all too prevelant. Having little or no money is not exclusive to people with a lazy attitude. As you say society is very dependent on people who do this jobs for little reward.
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  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    Adams1 wrote: »
    Huh? Wouldn't your argument work the other way too? Why should the parents NOT benifit from something that HAVE paid for... All their lives.
    They have already benefited: Doctors, hospitals, schools, rubbish collections, police, fire brigade, ambulance service, parks, libraries, buses, trains, street lighting, waterways, forestry, leisure centres, festivals, subsidised domestic fuel, consumer protection, pensions, roads, employment protection, community projects, environmental protection, allotments, cemeteries, car parks, social services, subsidised prescriptions..............

    Need I go on?
    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
  • noh wrote: »
    Are you serious?

    People who have saved are able to pay for care.
    People who have nothing are not able to pay therefore need help from taxpayers.

    Are you suggesting that taxpayers should subsidise those that are capable of funding themselves?
    In many cases all that will acheive is an increase in the amount left to their heirs.

    These people have subsidised these people all their lives. Yes I am suggesting that taxpayers subsidise them - THEY WERE THE TAX PAYERS!!!

    So what it increases the amount left to their heirs? That is fair. They paid they should be looked after.

    Making them pay for others all their life and then stealing every last penny off them when they can no longer contribute is unfair in the extreme.
  • Flyboy152 wrote: »
    They have already benefited: Doctors, hospitals, schools, rubbish collections, police, fire brigade, ambulance service, parks, libraries, buses, trains, street lighting, waterways, forestry, leisure centres, festivals, subsidised domestic fuel, consumer protection, pensions, roads, employment protection, community projects, environmental protection, allotments, cemeteries, car parks, social services, subsidised prescriptions..............

    Need I go on?

    All the people who did not contribute have also gained these things - its called society and it's paid for by TAX PAYERS - the very same people who shoulud be looked after if not to a greater level then at least at the same level as others
  • noh
    noh Posts: 5,817 Forumite
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    All the people who did not contribute have also gained these things - its called society and it's paid for by TAX PAYERS - the very same people who shoulud be looked after if not to a greater level then at least at the same level as others


    But they are.
    The same rules apply whether you are a tax payer or not.
  • Bogof_Babe
    Bogof_Babe Posts: 10,803 Forumite
    Under the present system free care is no more of a "right" than free public transport, free holidays, free food...

    I fail to see the logic behind the OP's assertion. The tax their parents paid is not put into a pot for their old age you know.

    Sorry but this plan just smacks of greed.
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  • knack
    knack Posts: 16 Forumite
    edited 27 January 2011 at 11:52AM
    JJ2734 wrote: »
    Do you not think that people who have worked all of their life and have contributed enough tax should not have to worry about care in old age?
    The people who do not have the money should have worked harder in their life and not sponge of the state all of their life.

    You cannot see the wood for the trees. I feel that your concern is over your inheritance, not the care that your parents may need in old age. Maybe you could care for them - this would therefore help you earn a little of the money your parents worked so hard for. This is the true meaning of family. They are not just there to sponge off, dead or alive, in good health or bad.
    Hard work doesnt mean you will earn lots of money - sometimes it only keeps life ticking over for ones family.
    You are part of a family, not a money making enterprise. Concentrate on loving and caring for your parents - not their money.
    Do it now before its too late. Please dont take offence, you will truly discover there is more to life than cash. If they need you be there, even if you have to take a career break. Its too late when their gone. All you will have then is money - which doesnt bring happiness or love - only financial gain.
    Embrace this time as a family. Money comes and goes very easy. People who love you dont.
    Surely, by signing their home to their children in order to gain "free" care would be "sponging". Pot, kettle, black. Lets hope that they live long, in good health & never need to be "cared" for by a stranger. Dont let it happen. Be there for them - money doesnt buy lost time either. Let them give up their equity and enjoy their hard earned cash now, in this life - its the only one you get. Life is for living, they have worked hard enough for it. Enjoy now, while they can. You will be ok - if you work your money "hard" enough you too will have enough money to enjoy old age. You wont need their money, Just the wonderful memories of you parents golden years, that they enjoyed with their hard earned dosh.
  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    All the people who did not contribute have also gained these things - its called society and it's paid for by TAX PAYERS - the very same people who shoulud be looked after if not to a greater level then at least at the same level as others
    In case you haven't noticed, everyone pays taxes.
    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
  • Flyboy152 wrote: »
    In case you haven't noticed, everyone pays taxes.

    Yes and if you contribute your entire life then you should be looked after when you need it and not robbed blind by the state.
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