is a church a 'not for profit organisation'?

Savvy_Sue

Owain_Moneysaver wrote: »

The point is that for an enhanced disclosure the nature of the work/organisation is taken into account.

So a student who has a clear disclosure for working with children might not have a clear disclosure when it comes to working with vulnerable adults at risk of fraud. Etc.

right. the students we take would have enhanced for everything! the nature of their courses would make this necessary.

patman99

Strangely-enough, non of the Churches in my area recognise CRB's. I know one of the people involved with Sunday School at one, and was moaning about the cost of a crb form, she told me that churches are exempt as they are 'houses of God, and therefore considered to be pure'.

As for 'not-for-profit' organisations, the Church of England is the richest organisation in the country.

Savvy_Sue

patman99 wrote: »

Strangely-enough, non of the Churches in my area recognise CRB's. I know one of the people involved with Sunday School at one, and was moaning about the cost of a crb form, she told me that churches are exempt as they are 'houses of God, and therefore considered to be pure'.

as most of the people needing CRBs within churches are volunteers, they wouldn't be paying for them. and churches are not exempt ... if you google anglican child protection, you'll find that every diocese has a CP officer and a policy, and I know our local CofE has identified the person to whom you'd take any concerns.

apart from anything else, they are there to deal with any CP issues a child might raise - doesn't have to be within the church, could be abuse at home or elsewhere.

patman99 wrote: »

As for 'not-for-profit' organisations, the Church of England is the richest organisation in the country.

but it isn't profiting anyone: no shareholders to pay dividends to, no directors to give golden handshakes or bonuses to.

Torry_Quine

patman99 wrote: »

Strangely-enough, non of the Churches in my area recognise CRB's. I know one of the people involved with Sunday School at one, and was moaning about the cost of a crb form, she told me that churches are exempt as they are 'houses of God, and therefore considered to be pure'.

As for 'not-for-profit' organisations, the Church of England is the richest organisation in the country.

I was shocked to read that! Do the parents using the creche, Sunday school etc know that. Churches are definitely not exempt and have to have staff and volunteers checked like everyone else. As for 'considered to be pure', words fail me! :eek:

paddedjohn

patman99 wrote: »

strangely-enough, non of the churches in my area recognise crb's. I know one of the people involved with sunday school at one, and was moaning about the cost of a crb form, she told me that churches are exempt as they are 'houses of god, and therefore considered to be pure'.

As for 'not-for-profit' organisations, the church of england is the richest organisation in the country.

I would have thought the CRB was brought in with the church in mind to be honest.;)

Savvy_Sue

paddedjohn wrote: »

I would have thought the CRB was brought in with the church in mind to be honest.;)

er, no, it was a problem with a school caretaker which led to the review of the previous system for police checks and the introduction of the CRB.

paddedjohn

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

er, no, it was a problem with a school caretaker which led to the review of the previous system for police checks and the introduction of the CRB.

Its not the caretakers the kids should be worried about, its the Priests....

zcrat41

Patman - most C0fE churches in this country are actually extremely poor - many are having to close as they can't afford to keep up the maintenance on such big and ancient buildings.

And they definitely do have to be CRB checked if working with children.

Plans_all_plans

What an absolute crock, some posters need to check their facts: of course churches recognise CRBs and will insist upon you having them done too if you wish to volunteer in certain roles.

I help with brownies in my Catholic Parish: girlguiding have CRB'd me, as has the diocese my Parish is in.

I also do another job in the Parish and I had a separate CRB done for this too, again through the diocese.

My sister ran a Rainbows group at her local Anglican Church - although she is a nurse (and so already has an enhanced CRB cos of the nature of her job) she had a separate CRB done through the Anglican diocese group, plus girlguiding UK did one too.

All organisations must have in place appropriate safeguarding requirements where children and vulnerable adults are involved.

Freddie_Snowbits

patman99 wrote: »

Strangely-enough, non of the Churches in my area recognise CRB's. I know one of the people involved with Sunday School at one, and was moaning about the cost of a crb form, she told me that churches are exempt as they are 'houses of God, and therefore considered to be pure'.

As for 'not-for-profit' organisations, the Church of England is the richest organisation in the country.

Absolute Codswallop. You will find all organisation have insurance, H&S, children, vulnerable persons policies in place. Also, they also hold regular risk assessments, have contact or responsible persons in place.

They are not exempt.

As for not for profit, that is codswallop as well. If the scouts or my church did not cover it's costs, it would close. I cannot speak for the catholic churches (CofE and RC), as these do have serious issues with women preachers. Mine does not.