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  • TOBRUK wrote: »
    Well one of the things this government is doing is getting rid of a large number of QUANGOS and this will affect many people. As you noted, you are a partnership organisation with the DWP - a QUANGO?

    No, a charity - we are partnership with the DWP in the sense we're able to verify on behalf of the DWP to 'save' them time. But no, we get no funding, more's the pity!
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  • Here's a novel thought:

    If a person writes on the form 'I cannot walk more than five metres without pain'. or ' I cannot organise simple tasks as my head is all over the place' then why does that need a medical professional to assess whether they need help with these things or not?

    Therefore why does it matter if the decision maker is not a medical professional?

    I agree that anyone doing a medical examination should be a medical professional.
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  • cit_k
    cit_k Posts: 24,812 Forumite
    Here's a novel thought:

    If a person writes on the form 'I cannot walk more than five metres without pain'. or ' I cannot organise simple tasks as my head is all over the place' then why does that need a medical professional to assess whether they need help with these things or not?

    Therefore why does it matter if the decision maker is not a medical professional?

    I agree that anyone doing a medical examination should be a medical professional.

    What if the person writes I have XYZ condition that limits my abilty to ABC?

    And ATOS writes, claimaint has no problems with ABC due to 123?

    For example, claimaint could write I have anxiety/depression and I often have accidents/become confused/forgetful.

    ATOS could write, claimaint has no problems in that area because they can read emails.

    A medical professional, would know ATOS were talking bull.

    A non medical professional is more likely to believe the word of a 'assessor' supposedly a professional in this area.

    And yes, ATOS do things like that, from discounting panic attacks, to accidents, a whole range of different issues, based on weird evidence like that.

    Rather like assuming a person can walk for 100 meters (or yards cant remember) and sit for 30 minutes, both without difficulty, simply because they can use a microwave oven.

    If they actually used medical professionals in the decision making process though, way to many doctors would end up struck of, as the DM would have a duty of care under GMC rules to report any other professional that was failing to uphold GMC standards.
    [greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
    [/greenhighlight][redtitle]
    The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
    and we should be deeply worried about that
    [/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)
  • cit_k
    cit_k Posts: 24,812 Forumite
    will-batts wrote: »
    Two years ago, my wife SERIOUSLY injured her bat in an accident, she spent a lot of time in hospital, xrays, scans, 1 op, and three further procedures, she is on morphine 24/7, and many more pills and potions.
    She is now under a neurosurgeon, he believes she requires a major op. The hospital, surgeons, and her doctor say she is unfit for work, And have relayed this to the DWP.
    NOT SO SAY ATOS, they told the DWP she was fine for work??. A few months ago she went to tribunal and won, today she got a letter from Atos saying the DWP wanted her to have another medical with Atos! What is going on? at this rate I will be having a breakdown and then the DWP will have to fund me too!
    To end, ATOS SUCK!


    Its pretty common.

    Put you through months, or often up to a year of tribunal waiting, then you win, then it all starts again.

    If you win again, it will start again.

    They keep doing it until you get a bad decision, and the law of averages mean one day you will get a bad tribunal panel
    [greenhighlight]but it matters when the most senior politician in the land is happy to use language and examples that are simply not true.
    [/greenhighlight][redtitle]
    The impact of this is to stigmatise people on benefits,
    and we should be deeply worried about that
    [/redtitle](house of lords debate, talking about Cameron)
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