You gotta laugh.

chucky

paddedjohn wrote: »

if the truth be known then i dont give a flying one who said it, its still a load of scaremongering bull

exactly - it's quite easy to say it's this parties fault or that parties fault when you don't know the facts.

if the truth be know the Tories and Labour are as bad as each other.
the other jokers should go back to lecturing at the WI

lemonjelly

chucky wrote: »

you may not have noticed the poster from the general election.



i work out that £389 is £7.48 a week, that's nearly £7.50 - you'll also notice in the picture that it has very little to do with Labour but more to do with the current deputy prime minister...

Osborne says it won't be great impact but Clegg thought it important enough to use the massive poster as part of his campaign.

who's lying Nick Clegg or Osborne?

it's also interesting that Cameron thinks a VAT rise is not a good idea but what would he care...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7625873/General-Election-2010-Cameron-dismisses-claim-Tories-would-put-up-VAT.html

Nail on head.

In addition, we've had a fuel duty increase & VAT on fuel. Transportation costs will obviously increase, and this cost will be passed on.

Part of me feels the £7.50 is an estimate towards the lower end.

Further inflationary pressures?

However, I too did laugh at the strapline about tories halting labours "savage cuts"!

Anyone notice how Osborne seemed to be smiling & taking pleasure in justifying the rise in news interviews? Came across as exceedingly pompous.

chucky

lemonjelly wrote: »

Nail on head.

In addition, we've had a fuel duty increase & VAT on fuel. Transportation costs will obviously increase, and this cost will be passed on.

Part of me feels the £7.50 is an estimate towards the lower end.

Further inflationary pressures?

However, I too did laugh at the strapline about tories halting labours "savage cuts"!

Anyone notice how Osborne seemed to be smiling & taking pleasure in justifying the rise in news interviews? Came across as exceedingly pompous.

too many people blind themselves in their anti-Labour frothing and blaming Labour for anything and everything.

forget Labour they're done with and aren't the current government - it's the current monkeys that are making the decisions now.

angrypirate

chucky wrote: »

too many people blind themselves in their anti-Labour frothing and blaming Labour for anything and everything.

forget Labour they're done with and aren't the current government - it's the current monkeys that are making the decisions now.

Yes but they have the mess for the previous inept government to sort out - or werent you aware of that? The mess of this country nearly £1trillion in debt with it growing at a current rate of £160 billion a year.

If you hadnt noticed, the previous government didnt see a problem with this £160 bill annual deficit when they were in power and thought it was ok to borrow further. At least we have a government who admit this is not good and are trying to do something about it

lemonjelly

angrypirate wrote: »

Yes but they have the mess for the previous inept government to sort out - or werent you aware of that? The mess of this country nearly £1trillion in debt with it growing at a current rate of £160 billion a year.

If you hadnt noticed, the previous government didnt see a problem with this £160 bill annual deficit when they were in power and thought it was ok to borrow further. At least we have a government who admit this is not good and are trying to do something about it

The issue is though, are they doing the right things? IMO they are not.

In addition, are they doing what they said they'd do? On this, emphatically they are not.

Given the 2nd statement above, can I trust them? Hmmmmm.

The debate is turning now to a level of " are they forcing through their ideology, regardless of whether it improves things for the population?" My feeling is that quite possibly they are. They are u-turning like mad. They & the lib dems are breaking every promise/statement they made pre-election. The tories are ramming through a million legislative changes as quickly as possible - in the hope that by the time they're voted out it'll be irreversible (or too costly to reverse). And people like Osborne appear to be getting smug satisfaction out of what they're doing.

Heyman_2

lemonjelly wrote: »

The issue is though, are they doing the right things? IMO they are not.

They were always going to be up against this though - there was a programme on a few months ago where they asked members of the public what they would cut. Obviously all the usual stuff was mentioned, then they got told 'ok, that's not enough, what else?' at which point there was a lot of brow-furrowing and 'errrr....'s. I'm not sure there are 'right' things and 'wrong' things - the fact is it was always going to be painful.

angrypirate

Heyman wrote: »

They were always going to be up against this though - there was a programme on a few months ago where they asked members of the public what they would cut. Obviously all the usual stuff was mentioned, then they got told 'ok, that's not enough, what else?' at which point there was a lot of brow-furrowing and 'errrr....'s. I'm not sure there are 'right' things and 'wrong' things - the fact is it was always going to be painful.

In my opinion i think the Tory's are almost being too careful in trying to !!!!!foot around these cuts.

Yes they are going to be painful, but i think they are trying to soften them up and in doing so they are barely worth it.

Make them a little more painful and I reckon the difference come 5 years would be massive, although the uneducated would label them as the offspring of Thatcher and say how nasty they were.

Wheezy_2

lemonjelly wrote: »

They & the lib dems are breaking every promise/statement they made pre-election. The tories are ramming through a million legislative changes as quickly as possible - in the hope that by the time they're voted out it'll be irreversible (or too costly to reverse). And people like Osborne appear to be getting smug satisfaction out of what they're doing.

Amen, baby!

And what's funny (or not).....the UK is always quick to condemn this or that "un-democratic" tinpot dictatorship in some far away country, but here at home we have a government based on lies, deceit and u-turns.

And let's prosecute Phil Woolas because of some misleading campaign leaflets while the whole libdem manifesto is a lie back to front :rotfl: you couldn't make it up!

angrypirate

lemonjelly wrote: »

The tories are ramming through a million legislative changes as quickly as possible - in the hope that by the time they're voted out it'll be irreversible (or too costly to reverse).

I think you'll find the number of legislative changes they are "ramming through" is tiny in comparison with the number labour rammed up our backsides. Not to mention costly, stupid and pedantic. Probably why Cameron is trying to reverse most of them.

markharding557

All of labours legislative programme was carried out over 13 years not 18 months to 2 years some difference in pace and this is why some things the government is doing are too rushed and will cause problems later.
I wish they would take the time to at least plan and carry out things in a considered and properly debated manner.