What happened to the promised 'fuel price stabiliser'

Jeff_Bridges_hair

BYALPHAINDIA wrote: »

Were TOO SOFT as a country - FULL STOP!!

In France/Spain they STOP the highways and block the road.

People NEED to have BACKBONE in this country, And stand up and DEMAND that the Fuel prices do NOT rise out of proportion.

When you comment at a Fuel station - Some people don't want to make 'Comment' and - Dismiss the argument - And say it doesn't effect/It won't effect me.

EVERYBODY WILL BE EFFECTED - FULL STOP!!

RICH MAN OR POOR MAN!!

France have tolls on every single motorway in the country.

Mankysteve

victor2 wrote: »

For the first few years they blame everything on the mess they inherited. Then when that wears a bit thin, we elect the opposition back in on more empty promises.

Its the great circle of politics.

flyingscotno1

BYALPHAINDIA wrote: »

Were TOO SOFT as a country - FULL STOP!!

In France/Spain they STOP the highways and block the road.

People NEED to have BACKBONE in this country, And stand up and DEMAND that the Fuel prices do NOT rise out of proportion.

When you comment at a Fuel station - Some people don't want to make 'Comment' and - Dismiss the argument - And say it doesn't effect/It won't effect me.

EVERYBODY WILL BE EFFECTED - FULL STOP!!

RICH MAN OR POOR MAN!!

The AA do reports on prices every month. For petrol, in December the average price in France was 124.7p/l. Germany 124p/l, Netherlands 137p/l, Italy 120p/l, Sweden 125p/l. Given the UK was 122p average before recent increases it isn't too far out of the zone with other EU countries.

Diesel is where the main difference is. The government should, to help the UK economy reduce diesel taxation. Petrol taxation has a minor effect on the economy (we pay up and grumble) but an increase in diesel taxation affects everything. From the costs of a parcel delivery from Amazon, the food in the supermarket, the football supporters bus, the export of manufactured goods and the ability of our hauliers to compete with that of the EU....

Mids_Costcutter

If the aim is to help the road haulage industry compete on a more level playing field with other European countries, then wouldn't other mechanisms e.g. lorry road user charging scheme be better than reducing taxation on diesel? Reducing duty on diesel would also provide a rebate to drivers of diesel cars and hence less income for the Treasury.

It's not an easy problem to solve: many HGVs can drive 3,500km on one tank of diesel and so completely avoid buying fuel when travelling through countries where it is more expensive such as Germany and the UK. Yet shouldn't HGVs pay for the use of the infrastructure in the countries through which they travel?

flyingscotno1

Mids_Costcutter wrote: »

If the aim is to help the road haulage industry compete on a more level playing field with other European countries, then wouldn't other mechanisms e.g. lorry road user charging scheme be better than reducing taxation on diesel? Reducing duty on diesel would also provide a rebate to drivers of diesel cars and hence less income for the Treasury.

It's not an easy problem to solve: many HGVs can drive 3,500km on one tank of diesel and so completely avoid buying fuel when travelling through countries where it is more expensive such as Germany and the UK. Yet shouldn't HGVs pay for the use of the infrastructure in the countries through which they travel?

Less income is almost guaranteed which means it will never happen. Duty on diesel would have to be reduced by around 10p a litre to match France and Germany. However in an ideal world if diesel costs in the UK were cut to similar levels as Germany and France there may be a case the UK could get some money in tax from vehicles that currently fill up and try to leave without paying. Equally for domestic business the lower transport costs could encourage business growth and further tax gains that way.

The 'simple' solution is a uniform fuel duty EU wide but that has as much chance as happening as....

Of course it would essentially reduce diesel cars cost. Imagine this website- I drive 1 mile a day and spent a fortune changing cars to diesel because fuel is 10p cheaper. Now my DPF is broken! :rotfl:. Could always devise some way round that I suppose.

Lorry Road User Charging isn't greatly feasible for me in the same way road pricing is not. It isn't a bad idea and perhaps could work to an extent in the future but I'd imagine the setup costs and enforcement of a scheme could well dwarf revenue at least in the beginning for well over a decade.

Equally if there is a case for perhaps saying that the government would set this at a level that would keep overall taxation the same- i.e. increase costs on foreign trucks rather than reduce costs for UK vehicles. Also the question would be what would be the rates. If you have a small artic that needs to travel through evening rush hour and gets hit in a big charge it could be cheaper to send 4 x 3.5t vans defeating the point.

Rolandtheroadie

Pay under 50p a litre to produce my own biodiesel, run about in cars that can run it ok.
My only fear is the rest of u latch on to it.

darich

BYALPHAINDIA wrote: »

Were TOO SOFT as a country - FULL STOP!!

In France/Spain they STOP the highways and block the road.

People NEED to have BACKBONE in this country, And stand up and DEMAND that the Fuel prices do NOT rise out of proportion.

When you comment at a Fuel station - Some people don't want to make 'Comment' and - Dismiss the argument - And say it doesn't effect/It won't effect me.

EVERYBODY WILL BE EFFECTED - FULL STOP!!

RICH MAN OR POOR MAN!!

I laugh when I read this type of comment.....because we read the same thing when local authority workers go on strike and are then told that they receive better pay/pension/everything than other people so should simply go back to work and be grateful for it.

How can people have a backbone and stand up to things only to be told when they do it that they should stop???

darich

Mids_Costcutter wrote: »

It's not an easy problem to solve: many HGVs can drive 3,500km on one tank of diesel

Typically an HGV will get something like 10mpg....16km pr gallon.
To get 3500 km on a tank at the above consumption, the HGV would need a 220gallon tank.

I know they're big but are they really that big???

maninthestreet

darich wrote: »

Typically an HGV will get something like 10mpg....16km pr gallon.
To get 3500 km on a tank at the above consumption, the HGV would need a 220gallon tank.

I know they're big but are they really that big???

Indeed - 220 gallons is very close to 1000 litres - that would be one big fuel tank, as 1000 litres is 1 cubic metre.

marlot

864 litre fuel tank on the coca cola truck http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/261181/we_drive_the_coca_cola_christmas_lorry.html Probably 400 litres on the typical HGV, though some who do trips to Europe have fitted larger tanks!