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The agenda is the same, Carbon Tax!
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Just like the 70s then. Over reliance on an unreliable fuel source. We've only kept the lights on by fighting two wars (so far). I'd prefer a few carbon taxes to more wars.
The energy market is distorted anyway by the temporary availability of cheap fossil fuels. Isn't it better to try and ration them to make them last longer for the things they are best for? It's much easier to use wind power for your lights than flying.
Thanks for so perfectly illustrating my point about scare stories. It's clear that the cultists are now so petrified of the growing disbelief in their faith that they will resort to just about anything.
What next - 'we'll need the oil for when the Martians land!'?0 -
Harry_Flashman wrote: »Merely an excuse for them to load up the tax burden.
Amazes me how many gullible fools actually believe them.
Might be more believable if the government weren't making so much money out of it.
Or don't believe them
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
A mixed, market-led balance. The only answer that can possibly work. 'Energy security' is one of the cultists' scare-stories. They'll use any excuse to raise money for their international redistribution schemes.
As we're in two wars at the moment, it's hardly a "scare story".
Unless you really think Iraq was actually about WMD.0 -
Thanks for so perfectly illustrating my point about scare stories. It's clear that the cultists are now so petrified of the growing disbelief in their faith that they will resort to just about anything.
What next - 'we'll need the oil for when the Martians land!'?
All I've "resorted to" is asking you for evidence of whatever you believe is wrong with the IPCC case, which your are totally unable to articulate or provide.
I would suggest you put up or shut up, but am well aware that sceptics are unable to do either.0 -
I find it difficult to believe any statistics we are shown , be they from Governments or scientist as they all have their own agendas.
I can see Little Cheyne windfarm on Romney Marsh from my workshop and from what I see daily the turbines are either not working due to high winds, not working due to lack of winds, not working due to bearings being changed and also some of them have problems with subsidence. Value for money?
Can we trust the energy company to give us accurate,honest data from them? answer is probably not and neither can we trust the government to be honest.They don't want to be seen as being at fault for wasting Tax payers money on a white elephant paid for with subsidies........
The only people who will benefit from windfarms long term are the companies building them ,power companies who will charge a premium and the poor old farmer who sells his land to the power companies(for a premium) and who also get a proportion of the profit from the energy company each year for life..
IMO nuclear is the way to go and money should be spend on trying to find a solution to disposing (properly) of the waste..There will also be the issue of security, am I right in thinking the French have anti-aircraft missile batteries around their nuclear power stations?.0 -
leveller2911 wrote: »I can see Little Cheyne windfarm on Romney Marsh from my workshop and from what I see daily the turbines are either not working due to high winds, not working due to lack of winds, not working due to bearings being changed and also some of them have problems with subsidence. Value for money?
You forget that they may not be "working" as there is no demand for the energy the produce at that exact moment.0 -
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No. leveller2911 Highlighted that they daily see the wind farm work of a number of reasons, I just added a different view...
given the relatively small (as a percentage) that windfarms make to the total demand, why would they ever be a situation where their contribution wouldn't be desireable? surely even a modest contibution would reduce the need for carbon fuels?0 -
do you have any figures for the energy produced by the windfarms over that last few weeks of freezing cold but fairly windless ?
Here's a report which talks about the weather and windfarms, it mentions the periods where there are cold snaps and low wind and the need for fuels from elsewhere.
http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/wp-content/uploads/oswald-energy-policy-2008.pdfPlease stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
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