Hills, snow and ice

Strider590

marlot wrote: »

The numpties don't just drive 4x4s, though there does seem to be a strong correlation between having the money to buy a pimp-mobile X5 and having no common sense.

That's because the criteria for a well paid job these days is "gift of the gab" for men, and "pretty + stupid" for women. :rotfl:

anewman

Strider590 wrote: »

That's because the criteria for a well paid job these days is "gift of the gab" for men, and "pretty + stupid" for women. :rotfl:

Social skills and intelligence are inversely proportional, lol.

Lum

marlot wrote: »

The numpties don't just drive 4x4s, though there does seem to be a strong correlation between having the money to buy a pimp-mobile X5 and having no common sense.

I drive a 4x4 on all season (snowflake marked) tyres - and am stunned by the number of cars of all types who continually tailgate me in all weathers - but that they don't allow more distance in the wet and ice. I'm also stunned that people don't realise that on a hill the person going downhill should always give way to the person going uphill (the person going down can always get started again).

I disagree.

One person on the hill at a time, give way to whoever is already on it.

The person going downhill may well lose traction as soon as they try to stop.

marlot

Lum wrote: »

I disagree.

One person on the hill at a time, give way to whoever is already on it.

The person going downhill may well lose traction as soon as they try to stop.

Clearly that's even better, but not always feasible - our hill has a blind corner on it for example.

Regaining traction is easy going downhill. If you're saying the person coming down the hill can't stop then they're driving too quickly for the conditions.

Lum

marlot wrote: »

If you're saying the person coming down the hill can't stop then they're driving too quickly for the conditions.

Absolutely, but you still don't want to be sharing the hill with them!

Ok the blind corner makes it a bit different, out in the countryside I'd sound the horn before making my ascent/descent but around town that would likely annoy the residents and most people wouldn't know what it meant anyway.

Imp

marlot wrote: »

I'm also stunned that people don't realise that on a hill the person going downhill should always give way to the person going uphill (the person going down can always get started again).

Many thanks to the bus driver in Aylesbury yesterday who didn't follow this advice. I was coming down a slight incline towards a round about. A bus was slowly turning right across my path, so I started braking to give way, but couldn't find any grip. Thankfully we were both going slow enough that he could see me struggling, and signalled me out in front of him. If he hadn't, Id have probably ended up in the side of him. (and he was going slightly up hill which is probably why he was better able to slow down than I was).

skiddlydiddly

Lum wrote: »

I disagree.

One person on the hill at a time, give way to whoever is already on it.

The person going downhill may well lose traction as soon as they try to stop.

Not always possible Lum.Its common sense to give way to those coming up as if its slippy enough for the person coming down the hill to slide then its the same for those coming up, except they'd be sliding backwards.

Lum

I know it's not always possible, nothing ever is as simple as in any rulebook, but to me common sense dictates that if I'm approaching an uphill and someone is already trying to work their way down it, I will stop on the flat far enough back that:

a) I will have enough flat road to get a run up

b) If they do lose it, there will be enough flat road for them to regain traction and stop before they hit my car.*

I would never expect them to pull over and let me up, because there's a good chance that they either wont bother, or they'll make a mess of it and start sliding down the hill towards you.

Obviously things are different if you can't see the top of the hill and both parties enter it with the hill clear for as far as they can see.


* If it's not possible to take such a position, moving behind a lamppost or parked car is an acceptable alternative

mikey72

I was actually going up a hill yesterday, when someone walked out and put his hand up to stop me while he backed his mate out of a drive in a range rover to come down the hill!
Range rover came out, but I didn't stop, and the disgruntled range rover driver had to stop sideways across the far side of the road while I kept going. His mate had the sense to step back onto the pavement.

skiddlydiddly

I'd agree with you in that example yes, just good forward planning.If you are both already on it though I stand by what I said before.