Redundancy revoked after finding a new job?

RATHBONE

Thats what they are doing...the salary is the same as I have had my current salary frozen for 3 years...but what happens after that time...there's no guarantee as the new role is a lower grade? I feel emotionally raped and stressed!

FakeIrish

Like I said, I don't think they can expect staff to relocate to lesser grades. After all they wouldn't find you an alternative job at a higher grade! Check the council's policy or speak to a union rep if you're with the union. It sound to me that they are trying to call your bluff, illegally.

I'm in the civil service and I know for a fact that they have to find alternative jobs (if possible) at existing grades. If nothing is available at existing grades, then you get redundancy if you don't start a new job during your notice period. Some or all of this would have to be paid back if you start with certain public bodies within a certain period but this isn't applicable to you

FakeIrish

RATHBONE wrote: »

I mean what happens if I do take the job and I am not happy in it after 4 weeks....then what?

Equally what happens if you start your new job in the private sector and you don't like it?

paddedjohn

rathbone wrote: »

no, i had an interview today and 2 hours later they have said i am successful in this 'new' post which is more of a downgrade. I think this is totally out of order, it's only because i have been offered a new role in a private company that they have managed to clawing back any chance i might have of a redundancy! i want that money as i have worked hard for it...this is so unjust, all because it's there !!!!-up that they need people after serving them with redundancies! It's hard!

this is not your money, you havnt worked hard for it. You worked hard and you got paid your wages and now you are being offered another job with the same pay and you cry. Get a grip, there are thousands of people every day losing their jobs who would give their right arm to be in your position

CFC

RATHBONE wrote: »

Thats what they are doing...the salary is the same as I have had my current salary frozen for 3 years...but what happens after that time...there's no guarantee as the new role is a lower grade? I feel emotionally raped and stressed!

For heaven's sake grow up and stop having a tantrum. If you are an example of a 'public servant' at our expense, it is time the lot of you were sacked!

To quote padded john, this is not your money, you haven't worked hard for it. You worked hard and you got paid your wages and now you are being offered another job with the same pay and you cry. Get a grip, there are thousands of people every day losing their jobs who would give their right arm to be in your position

lightisfading

I have to say I'm in agreement with the others. There are huge numbers of people who are losing their jobs without redundancy payouts (statutory redundancy pay is CRAP, just because you've 'only' been there a year doesn't mean you don't need to pay for your bills!). I work for local council and there's a good chance I'll get no redundancy pay at all, and there simply aren't jobs to be redeployed into. OH is unemployed so I am facing the very real prospect of having no income into the house.. I'd give my right arm to have the choice of a good job or a large redundancy payout.

The way I see it redundancy money is to help you get by while looking for a new job. You haven't worked hard 'for your redundancy money', that's what your wages are.

I suggest checking your HR manual (usually available on the internal-only websites) and/or speaking to HR. You probably won't get a whole lot of sympathy here though.

ceridwen

RATHBONE wrote: »

No, I had an interview today and 2 hours later they have said I am successful in this 'new' post which is more of a downgrade. I think this is totally out of order, it's only because I have been offered a new role in a private company that they have managed to clawing back any chance I might have of a redundancy! I want that money as I have worked hard for it...this is so unjust, all because it's there !!!!-up that they need people after serving them with redundancies! It's hard!

You may well be right - ie that they put a bit of extra effort into finding another position for you precisely in order to avoid paying redundancy money due.

Maybe they did exert themselves a bit harder precisely because they knew you had a new job ready to go to.

I think there is a lesson there for everyone - NEVER EVER tell any employer who has just made you redundant that you have found another job to go to (if you have been lucky enough to do so). Just leave the redundant position on the appointed day (or take holiday and leave early), pick up your redundancy payment and start work on the due date with your new employer. Done and dusted - you've safely got your redundancy money. I would imagine it would be a lot harder for a former employer to try and find ways to get it back again - after you have safely banked the cheque.

Always always imply to the employer who has made you redundant that you are going out onto the Dole Queue - accompanied by heavy sigh/"woe is me" demeanour.

O.P. I'm sorry to hear this - and do keep fighting for your redundancy money. You have possibly just learnt the hard way though why line managers/fellow work colleagues come over all chatty/"friendly" about what you will be doing next - its NOT genuine conversation - its an attempt to find out any information that might be useful to them (but against YOUR interests). In the workplace it really DOES seem to be the case that "Loose lips sink ships" - its wrong...but it happens all too frequently.

getmore4less

Thiis has come up before( have a search on previous threads)

The conclusion was that once you have proper notice of termination it becomes a race they find you a suitable alternative and withdraw the redundacy OR you find a job and can leave with the redundancy.

I think you fight the job as not being a suitable alternative to start with.

In a previous case I know of both ACAS and legal advice backed up once you have a job offer you can get the redundancy.

IIRC others on here thought that you could still get it without a job if you gave counter notice.

I guess this is one tthe big guns


HOW did they find out you had a job. I hope you did not tell them.

If you have a job to go to how on earth did you pass the interview for the new job? (I would have shown no interest and just say I can't so that when I asked what the job entailed)

Any other candidates in those potentialy redundant that want the job you have been offered, they should put in a grievence for unfair selection.


EDIT :

Found the relevent post

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=35141465&postcount=5

SarEl wrote: »

Legal opinion is very clear on this one. An employer may withdraw a redundancy notice right up until the last breath - in other words the minute before your contract is terminated. Redundancy is an "involuntary termination" on both sides (or at least that is how the law looks at it) - the employer does not want to make people redundant and the employee does not want to be made redundant. On this basis it is not a mutually agreed basis as, say, ordinary notice would be considered. If you still wanted to leave you could do so - but without any redundancy payment (which may colour your view of leaving ).

If you remained on notice of redundancy and then got another job during the notice period, different rules apply and you would be able to serve "counter-notice" on the employer to leave, preserving your redundancy payment (but obviously not any balance of wages for the full notice period).

FBaby

The rules in my primary care trust (NHS) is that they have to try to find you an alternative position BEFORE they issue your notice of redundancy. The notice has to come when every attempt has been made to find you another job within the NHS. During your notice, if you do manage to find another job within the NHS, then you do not get redundancy, but if you find a job outside of the NHS, you do.

Pete111

getmore4less wrote: »

Thiis has come up before( have a search on previous threads)

The conclusion was that once you have proper notice of termination it becomes a race they find you a suitable alternative and withdraw the redundacy OR you find a job and can leave with the redundancy.

I think you fight the job as not being a suitable alternative to start with.

In a previous case I know of both ACAS and legal advice backed up once you have a job offer you can get the redundancy.

IIRC others on here thought that you could still get it without a job if you gave counter notice.

I guess this is one tthe big guns


HOW did they find out you had a job. I hope you did not tell them.

If you have a job to go to how on earth did you pass the interview for the new job? (I would have shown no interest and just say I can't so that when I asked what the job entailed)

Any other candidates in those potentialy redundant that want the job you have been offered, they should put in a grievence for unfair selection.


EDIT :

Found the relevent post

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=35141465&postcount=5

Agree - your argument here is whether they offered you a suitable alternative. If you feel it is easy to show they have not, then it is worth pushing strongly for the redundancy pay.

If they have offered you a suitable role then you have two choices. take it, or take the private sector role and forgo the redundancy.