Fire and rehire - redundancy?

rag31

Ha ha!! Sorry, that is laughable.

My husband works 3 days a week as a fully qualified and experienced gas-registered plumber and takes home £1000 a month including bonus! If you think that's overpaid then obviously you have no experience in the building trade. And they propose to reduce his pay to around £900 a month! It works out at around £90 a day and if you think that is the going rate for someone with his skill and experience in the private sector (no! He has NO pension) then it must have been a while since your boiler broke down.

Becky

rag31

Anyway, this is totally off the point.

Thanks for advice (!), !

Becky

MrRedundant

rag31 wrote: »

Ha ha!! Sorry, that is laughable.

My husband works 3 days a week as a fully qualified and experienced gas-registered plumber and takes home £1000 a month including bonus! If you think that's overpaid then obviously you have no experience in the building trade. And they propose to reduce his pay to around £900 a month! It works out at around £90 a day and if you think that is the going rate for someone with his skill and experience in the private sector (no! He has NO pension) then it must have been a while since your boiler broke down.

Becky

£1000 a month for 3 days is £1600 for a full week and this is take home. This puts your husbands annual salary in my calculations at approx 23-26k ish.

Now this for a standard week of 7-4 with all his equipment (probably a van and fuel too) is more than reasonable.

Its also worth stating the council have to supply services outwith 7-4 therefore why pay extra when they have amply paid staff already whose contracts can be changed to suit this flexibility?

Answer is don't; of course you dont like it but there decision in my view is both legal and understandable.

rag31

Yes, I would agree it's reasonable - but wouldn't agree with your original statement that he is 'overpaid' - that is laughable! For a highly skilled job that is also physically very hard work I wouldn't say he is overpaid at all - especially when compared with the pay his private colleagues are on.

That was fine while the hours were more favourable but now they aren't.

But yes, it is perfectly legal - I just wasn't sure if he was being made redundant if he didn't take it up, and now I know. I didn't really come on to ask people's opinions on my husband's pay and job and worth, but there you go - that is the nature of forums!

Becky

Ewarwoowar2

I've acted for a large group of LA employees in a similar situation. In that case it was removal of bonus/new pay structure.

If he does not accept the new contract, as stated above, the employer will dismiss him for some other substantial reason i.e. business need to put all employees of his type on this new contract.

Without knowing the ins and outs of the reasoning behind the new contract, it is almost impossible to know whether the dismissal is fair.

Unless he has another job to go to, it would be a big risk to reject the new terms and conditions and face dismissal.

What he needs is for his union to go into bat for him. However, in the situation I was involved, the union refused to give advice as they were scared of misleading employees and facing legal action against the union. The union agreed the deal with the employer and left it up to the employees to decide whether to accept. Helpful, eh!

rag31

Hello

Thank yoy for that info, what you describe is *exactly* what has happened with regard to unions, business need etc.

Becky

getmore4less

Ewarwoowar2 wrote: »

What he needs is for his union to go into bat for him. However, in the situation I was involved, the union refused to give advice as they were scared of misleading employees and facing legal action against the union. The union agreed the deal with the employer and left it up to the employees to decide whether to accept. Helpful, eh!

More likely they want to protect their own jobs.

How many gas safe are on the unemployment register?
Thats what you need to find out.

If there are loads then jobs are a premium keep the one you have

if none/few then review the options, how would the council cope if every employee gas safe said thanks but no thanks.

Do they contract out to agencies self employed allready, what are they paying for them?

If they sack all the internal workers and none take up the new jobs what happens next?

Do they have to then tender or seek to employ with the costs.

Look at the bigger picture, the council money men might not have done

joess

If he gets 'made redundant' will they pay him a redundancy package? If not then it's dismissal.

Also if he signs a new contact make sure they honor the 7 years service.

patman99

What's stopping him doing private jobs on the days he is not working for the LA?.

diable

MrRedundant wrote: »

£1000 a month for 3 days is £1600 for a full week and this is take home.

It was for 3 days a week do the maths.