Ron Paul on Wikileaks

mbga9pgf

StevieJ wrote: »

How does damaging your countries ally fit in? is that not indirect treason?

I would call it espionage personally.

Generali

mbga9pgf wrote: »

I would call it espionage personally.

Where is the espionage in your opinion? Taking the papers or publishing them? If the latter then presumably all the newspaper owners and editors plus the mirror site administrators and providers of server space are complicit. Better build a bid gaol!

michaels

If (just one example) the Saudi's are now nervous about talking to the US for fear of leaks it probably makes the world a less safe place?

I suspect we all have personal conversations in which we say things that we would not say if we thought there was any possibility that the conversation would not remain private.

mbga9pgf

Generali wrote: »

Where is the espionage in your opinion? Taking the papers or publishing them? If the latter then presumably all the newspaper owners and editors plus the mirror site administrators and providers of server space are complicit. Better build a bid gaol!

Ever heard of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DA-Notice

On 25 November 2010, the Government issued a DA-Notice (types 1 and 5) in relation to sensitive documents expected to be imminently released on the website

There are certain things which are taboo. Even for the media. Mr Assenge I believe crossed the line.

Espionage? Most definately.

globalds

Generali wrote: »

I'd be interested in PN's take on this. Is there any way that the US Government or even all of the Governments of the world combined could shut down Wikileaks and all the associated mirror sites and so on?

The whole internet would be tricky ..But the yanks can try and control their bit of it.

http://news.techworld.com/security/3228198/obama-internet-kill-switch-plan-approved-by-us-senate/

I don't think Frankenstein's monster wants to be anybodies !!!!! anymore.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f60_1292094621

mbga9pgf

Its interesting that in the country I am in, access not only to the website, but also to sites offering up free proxy server IP addresses , are banned.

tomterm8

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Ever heard of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DA-Notice



There are certain things which are taboo. Even for the media. Mr Assenge I believe crossed the line.

Espionage? Most definately.

He's an Australian citizen, wikileaks is an American organisation, the website is published in sweden and I really don't see what british law has to do with the matter.

This conduct is probably not illegal in america, it would come under the same doctrine as the Pentagon Papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . Leaking the documents is illegal; publishing them once leaked is probably legal.

Generali

mbga9pgf wrote: »

There are certain things which are taboo. Even for the media. Mr Assenge I believe crossed the line.

Espionage? Most definately.

So what would you do about it? You can't just stick the thousands of people, most of whom aren't even under American jurisdiction, in prison for this.

milliondollarman76

Generali wrote: »

So what would you do about it? You can't just stick the thousands of people, most of whom aren't even under American jurisdiction, in prison for this.

Has not stopped the US before:(

Degenerate

Generali wrote: »

So what would you do about it? You can't just stick the thousands of people, most of whom aren't even under American jurisdiction, in prison for this.

Just because they can't do anything about the information that's already out there, doesn't mean they should let it go. They need to send a message to stop Assange and others from thinking they can do this sort of thing with impunity.

We have the difficulty of being a democracy with pesky human rights laws, so personally I'd have our intelligence services mount an operation where they plant a "dissident" to leak something juicy we got from spying on the Russians or Chinese. They'd take care of the problem soon enough. Would you like some Polonium with your tea Mr Assange?