niece - apply one year early?

lkmc01

Hi

As it 2012 when we niece will go to uni (she is in 1st year college now) should I advide her to apply for uni for 2011 and see if she gets offered anything or gets a place through clearing. she is a very smart lass. it is worth her trying to get a place a year early due to the 9000 tutition fees starting in 2012?

I'm doing my msc at the moment and the fee rise won't apply to me. If I was her I'd put an application in for 2011 instead of 2012 and see if anything came of it

What do you think??

Lokolo

How is she going to go to university without completing college?

Oldernotwiser

Unless she already has the required qualifications , there's no point in applying for early entry.

setmefree2

OP - the fees are most likely to be £6k NOT £9k. It is only (possibly) some Unis that will charge £9k.

Oldernotwiser

setmefree2 wrote: »

OP - the fees are most likely to be £6k NOT £9k. It is only (possibly) some Unis that will charge £9k.

Would you like to give a link for this - it's not the general opinion at present.

setmefree2

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Would you like to give a link for this - it's not the general opinion at present.

Universities Minister David Willetts has said universities will only be allowed to charge fees of £9,000 in "exceptional circumstances", which he said might mean if they had high teaching costs, or if a university was offering an intensive two-year course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11483638

At the same time, the cap on tuition fees will rise to £6,000 and universities will be able to charge up to £9,000 in exceptional circumstances.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/8191811/Tuition-fees-Q-and-A-what-do-the-proposals-mean.html

Ministers claim fees should only exceed £6,000 in exceptional circumstances.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/8191811/Tuition-fees-Q-and-A-what-do-the-proposals-mean.html

melancholly

the feel within the education sector is that most unis will charge the 9K tbh..... maybe that will change when they've had more than 5 minutes to adjust to the new system, but what that Willetts man says can't be taken as anything right now!

Oldernotwiser

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11483638

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/8191811/Tuition-fees-Q-and-A-what-do-the-proposals-mean.html



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/8191811/Tuition-fees-Q-and-A-what-do-the-proposals-mean.html

That's what's being said but in the media but it isn't the general opinion at present. As you say elsewhere, you can't trust politicians!

It seems that universities may have to sign up to agreements about widening access if they want to charge over £6,000 and most of them will do so.

setmefree2

melancholly wrote: »

the feel within the education sector is that most unis will charge the 9K tbh..... maybe that will change when they've had more than 5 minutes to adjust to the new system, but what that Willetts man says can't be taken as anything right now!

That's a feeling I don't see how they are going to be "allowed" to do this? I don't see how something that is supposed to be exceptional is the norm?

Do you think that all Unis will be in a position to meet the criteria required to charge more than £6K?

If just one Uni charges £6k, then the others will follow, because they will be fearful of losing students. I think most Unis will tend towards £6k - at least initially. Who wants to set their fees high and find out they have empty courses?

melancholly

setmefree2 wrote: »

That's a feeling I don't see how they are going to be "allowed" to do this? I don't see how something that is supposed to be exceptional is the norm?

Do you think that all Unis will be in a position to meet the criteria required to charge more than £6K?

If just one Uni charges £6k, then the others will follow, because they will be fearful of losing students. I think most Unis will tend towards £6k - at least initially. Who wants to set their fees high and find out they have empty courses?

unis who have good reputations could charge £30K and still fill their places...... i think government has to allow them to charge this much or they will go under.

i don't see how a political party who pledged to oppose the increase in fees can be responsible for doing this - but if that can be 'allowed' to happen, don't be naive.

my impression is that a uni which will give a degree worth having will charge £9K. the ones charging less will have to offer shorter degrees, have less research and less outstanding research staff. they won't be able to offer the same facilities and the degree won't be worth as much.

i'm just trying to call it how i (and most other people!) see it - i'm not trying to be negative or nasty, just give the best information i can so that other people can plan. the details aren't even out yet, but most unis will be jumping through any hoop possible to get into the higher fees bracket!

Oldernotwiser

melancholly wrote: »

i'm just trying to call it how i (and most other people!) see it - i'm not trying to be negative or nasty, just give the best information i can so that other people can plan. the details aren't even out yet, but most unis will be jumping through any hoop possible to get into the higher fees bracket!

It seems obvious to me that very few institutions are going to want to announce that they're in a lower educational division.

Last month's HEPI report sums the situation up very well,

"HEPI's other main conclusion is that £9000 will in due course - perhaps not immediately, but it will not take long - become the going rate for fees."

http://www.hepi.ac.uk/478-1876/HEPI-publishes-response-to-the-government's-proposals-for-higher-education-funding.html