Tuition fee protest

Cleaver

Pennywise wrote: »

I think university students have had it too cushy for too long. Having to pay more for their degrees should make them think harder about what courses they are to do and whether they should go at all. Too many students just go to Uni as an extension of schooling with no real idea of their future career - if higher fees make them spend a little longer thinking about their future, then all the better.

I agree with all of the stuff in bold, and the majority of the rest of your post. However, just tripling tuition fees at the majority of decent universities simply isn't the way to solve this problem.

Really2

Cleaver wrote: »

I agree with all of the stuff in bold, and the majority of the rest of your post. However, just tripling tuition fees at the majority of decent universities simply isn't the way to solve this problem.

True, but I think the state of the economy has forced that.
I think part of this has been borne out of neccisty, the economic situation has forced the government to look at how universities can still be open to all.
I would prefer higher university fees for those that go than lowering the funding of state secondary education for all.
The only other option would be to lower the number of places.

Rock and a hard place really.

StevieJ

Pennywise wrote: »

But why should someone who goes to Uni get their education free when someone who leaves school, gets a job, and studies alongside working (or their employers) have to pay?

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I thought the profession these days was mostly degree entry, other methods exist (AAT route) but they are likely to be looked down upon. I know my old boss started doing chartered at 16 and his father had to pay for him to enter articles.

Pete111

Broadly speaking the answer to all these funding arguments (be they relating to tax rises, NI uplifts, cuts, or increased fees) was best captured in the rather refreshing post-it note left by the outgoing Treasury minister Liam Byrne. For those of you unaware of this stark but truthful missive it simply said:


THERE. IS. NO. MORE. MONEY.


The sooner we all get our heads round this and crack on with life the better. Smashing windows, attacking the future kings car and generally trying to break wind in the palaces of the mighty is neither helpful, nor likely to acheive anything other than the loss of public support IMHO

Really2

StevieJ wrote: »

I thought the profession these days was mostly degree entry, other methods exist (AAT route) but they are likely to be looked down upon. I know my old boss started doing chartered at 16 and his father had to pay for him to enter articles.

To be fair accountancy prefers relevant qualifications
Most still require training route after a degree, a CIMA qualified accountant will get a job far easier than any degree.
Most want relevant accreditation not a degree, more so experience.

drc

movilogo wrote: »

There may be a debate whether their way of protesting could have been different, but I think morally they are right to protest.

Obviously they have a right to peaceful protest, but violent protests don't do their cause any good. Looks more like a group of [STRIKE]bored rich kids[/STRIKE] anarchists have hijacked their cause in order to [STRIKE]have a massive hissyfit[/STRIKE] make their voices heard. Not a good way to make friends and influence people. How does vandalising a war memorial and statues of long gone former prime-ministers tell the Condems that their decision is wrong. If I was a minister, after seeing that kind of behaviour I'd be more sure than ever that the decision to raise tuition fees was right.

silvercar

Remember that it won't effect current students only new students starting degrees in 2013 or later. So these current students protesting are doing so because they think its wrong not because they have a vested interest.

hethmar

Im not totally au fait with the situation (is anyone?) but I thought I heard Nick Clegg saying that by raising the fees for some students then 66% of students will not have to pay more?

I think they are being totally childish and selfish - where do they think this extra money to fund them is to come from? The poor? the sick? the elderly? As some have said already, half of them see uni as a reason not to enter the real world. The times Ive asked youngsters what they are going to do when they leave uni and you get a shrug and a "dunno". Whats the point in the country spending all this money on people who ultimately dont enter a profession they are supposedly training for anyway?

tomterm8

Pete111 wrote: »

Broadly speaking the answer to all these funding arguments (be they relating to tax rises, NI uplifts, cuts, or increased fees) was best captured in the rather refreshing post-it note left by the outgoing Treasury minister Liam Byrne. For those of you unaware of this stark but truthful missive it simply said:


THERE. IS. NO. MORE. MONEY.


The sooner we all get our heads round this and crack on with life the better. Smashing windows, attacking the future kings car and generally trying to break wind in the palaces of the mighty is neither helpful, nor likely to acheive anything other than the loss of public support IMHO

THIS IS NOT TRUE.

AND IT WILL NOT BE TRUE HOWEVER MUCH YOU SHOUT.

The truth is, this measure will save no money until around 4 years time, at which point according to the governments own forecast, THERE WILL BE NO DEFICIT.

This is not a measure reqired to tackle the deficit.

ILW

I take no notice of any protests about how to spend public money, unless the protestors are actually paying tax and contributing.