How much for a two bed flat with electric storage heaters

seabass

I am trying to put a budget together for utility bills for a flat I am looking at. The flat is all electric, i.e. storage heaters and electric oven, so no gas.

It is probably about medium sized rooms. It has a dishwasher too and it would just be me living in it.

How much would this cost approximately per month for electric and water?

Thanks

lynni_2

Water would come under your council tax/water rates - depending what kind of area it is, im sure you can go onto the council website and put the postcode in to get what band of council tax you will be. I'd say around £50 a month for electricity maybe a little more in this weather

dogshome

Hi seabass - How long is a piece of string? On the assumption that this 2 bed flat has 5 storage radiators and a well insulated hotwater tank fed by an ECO 7 meter, you will be looking at power bills of around £1200 a year (£100 a month).

Be aware that with ECO7 the power you use during the day costs a lot more than that from a 'Standard' meter, so the Dishwasher is best run only overnight so it uses the cheaper Night rate electricity.

As you are just 'looking' at the moment, a flat with gas heating would be much healthier for your wallet

Premier_2

dogshome wrote: »

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Be aware that with ECO7 the power you use during the day costs a lot more than that from a 'Standard' meter, ....

I knew you'd post that comment again. You always do and I keep telling you whenever I spot it how misleading it is.

It may typically cost about 10% more but can on occassions be much less difference than that.

Even at 10% difference, with a dishwasher using less than 0.75kWh per cycle, the difference would equate to about a penny per cycle.

I do agree however to maximising the advantage of the cheap rate as that typically provides savings of 50-70% over the normal/day rate.

dogshome

Hi Premier - Don't like crossing swords with you as I have great respect for your detailed knowledge of the industry, and I know from previous posts that you make ECO7 work for you.

However, my son lives in a 2 bed flat in the Eastern Region as I do and I monitor his ECO7 bills
My Standard meter - EDF V6
Daily Standing charge £75 a year
Units 7.07p
Son's ECO7 meter - E.on V5
900 Prime Units 25.79p ( Annual cost over the unit price £107 )
Balance Units 13.85p
Night Units 4.45p

His bills run to £1,170 a year and as you can see, his Daytime power costs 96% more than that delivered by my Standard meter

Different regions have different tariffs and haveing weeded out the Industry dogs, he's on the best I can find for this area, who are you with to get that differential of just 10% ?

grahamc2003

dogshome wrote: »

Hi Premier - Don't like crossing swords with you as I have great respect for your detailed knowledge of the industry, and I know from previous posts that you make ECO7 work for you.

However, my son lives in a 2 bed flat in the Eastern Region as I do and I monitor his ECO7 bills
My Standard meter - EDF V6
Daily Standing charge £75 a year
Units 7.07p
Son's ECO7 meter - E.on V5
900 Prime Units 25.79p ( Annual cost over the unit price £107 )
Balance Units 13.85p
Night Units 4.45p

His bills run to £1,170 a year and as you can see, his Daytime power costs 96% more than that delivered by my Standard meter

Different regions have different tariffs and haveing weeded out the Industry dogs, he's on the best I can find for this area, who are you with to get that differential of just 10% ?

Are you certain your son is on the best tariff?. The daily rate seems extremely high to me.
In Seeboard's area, the newly increased British gas prices for me are (all inc vat)
Night 4.37p
1st 720 Day pa (Tier 1) 24p (extra £106pa over unit price)
Rest Day (Tier 2) 9.27

I dount any other non-e7 day tariff in seeboard's area is much cheaper than what I am paying (and remember these are prices which rose yeasterday, the day rate by 10%!).

Although E7 is quite expensive per unit relative to gas, once you take into account the maintenance (and worry) of gas CH, the differential becomes much less and, if you're unlucky with your gas boiler, probably negative.

dogshome

Hi grahanc2003 - Fair comment on the tariff prices and WHOOPS I forgot to include the discount structures - which is particularly important with Eon's tariffs

My EDF tariff has a 6% discount whilst my sons Eon ECO7 has a whopping 23.5%, but this still leaves Eon's ECO7 Day units costing 59% more than mine, whilst the service charge costs 17% more - All this results in an annual cost for a 2 bed flat, that is more than I pay to heat & light a 3 bed semi with oil fired heating

The differential is actually worse than the figures show as the ECO7 tariff dates from last April, whilst my Standard tariff was introduced last month.
There was a long article in last week-ends Sunday Times or Telegraph, exploring Fossil Fuels and Green Issues which conlcuded that by 2030 everyone would have to heat their homes with electricity - Lord Save US

disabled39

seabass wrote: »

I am trying to put a budget together for utility bills for a flat I am looking at. The flat is all electric, i.e. storage heaters and electric oven, so no gas.

It is probably about medium sized rooms. It has a dishwasher too and it would just be me living in it.

How much would this cost approximately per month for electric and water?

Thanks

It depends on your provider, I would think. Equipower are non-profit so you only pay for the electricity you use, no standing charges or anything. My former flat was all electric with storage heaters. It was a 2 bedroom and I was sharing. The first couple of years we were charged around £28 a month. Flatmate left, I sent a meter reading and it went up to £35-39 a month. Now they're trying to backcharge me £52 a month. This was Swalec, who also own Scottish and Southern and Atlantic. My advice? Get a prepayment meter put in and switch to Equipower. Then you know what you're paying. Hope this helps.

Johnny_Barnes10

Can you switch provider even on pre-pay (rented)?

Sparky3000

marvellous10 wrote: »

Can you switch provider even on pre-pay (rented)?

Provided there isn't a prevention clause in your tenancy agreement there is nothing to stop you switching so long as you have no debt on your meter

Johnny_Barnes10

Cheers, had my first bill for £277 (2 months) which I disputed and wanted the pre-pay to make sure. Since came to £187 which got added to the meter, so no changing for me for now.