would they need planning permission?

COOLTRIKERCHICK

I was just wondering... If someone buys a very old derilict property, basically all four walls are standing, but no roof, windows, doors etc.. trees growing round it etc...

would they still have to apply for planning permission if they just wanted to 'renovate' it, basically put good, and not re built..

put new roof, doors, windows, damp coarse re-do any walls, basically put it back to what it would have been like 100 plus years ago

jimmy230

It is very likely that the Council will regard the property as abandoned. Meaning that to bring the property back into use as a house will require planning permission. The situation you have described goes beyond like-for-like replacement which usually will not require permission.

lynzpower

It depends, have they checked whether the building is listed or not?

Some 4-walls type properties are listed, I can think of one that is barely standing up and a proper hazard, its listed , no ones bought it because its listed, and it continues to fall down.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

no i dont think it is listed, but i personally think it should be

it has been empty for an extremely long time.. and its a shell, but i wasnt to sure if there was something if the 4 walls were still standing etc..

I know it is a stab in the dark, and if planning were granted, it would be to restore it to what it would have been like...

edit..... How would you go about finding out if you could list the building or a feature in the building, and would this mean it could potentially be easier to get planning permission?

lynzpower

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/Planning/PlanningPermission/DG_10030546

Try this page sweets

keystone

The only way you'll find out is to talk to your local friendly planning office and see what they say in relation to this ptoject. They are the ones who will decide if it needs PP or not after all.

Cheers

System

if it's listed depending on the class, it might not be worth worrying about, listed buildings can be a total nightmare, sometimes the conservation officers would prefer them left to rot rather than let anyone use them, so if you are speaking to the planning officers just ask what the status of the building is, don't give them any ideas!

27col

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

I was just wondering... If someone buys a very old derilict property, basically all four walls are standing, but no roof, windows, doors etc.. trees growing round it etc...

would they still have to apply for planning permission if they just wanted to 'renovate' it, basically put good, and not re built..

put new roof, doors, windows, damp coarse re-do any walls, basically put it back to what it would have been like 100 plus years ago

I for one, would certainly not want it put back to how it was 100 years ago. If you mean, no decent heating, no decent lighting, no decent inside plumbing, no decent insulation etc.
As to listed building status, it is ridiculous that the conservation people can put so many provisos in place as to make it horrendously expensive to renovate a listed building. Yet at the same time they are content for it to fall into complete ruin if the owner will not or cannot afford to do what they specify.

jimmy230

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

edit..... How would you go about finding out if you could list the building or a feature in the building, and would this mean it could potentially be easier to get planning permission?

In England it is English Heritage who decides whether or not a building should be listed. I am sure it is possible to lobby them to list a building, but the building must be regarded as nationally important and of special interest. Given the poor state of the building, it is unlikely it will meet the criteria.

Many Councils are keen to see dilapidated buildings brought back into use to improve visual amenity etc. It might be worthwhile checking the property's designation in the Council's Proposals Map (which will be in the planning policy section of its website). This might give you an idea of whether the Council still considers the area appropriate for housing, or whether it has designated it for some other purpose.

Mankysteve

Sometimes in certain position council buy up houses and let leave them to rot. For expample there a two boarded up housesnear to where i live which are too close to busy roundabout for them to be able to safely have cars parked outside so the council have brought them under the compulsory purchase act and they'll eventually be torn down.

If a building is listed but in a state of disreair there are provision in even grade one listed building for a repair useing modern techniques and material. They see new materials and techniques as development of the property. What cna be saved should be saved, but where new is put in they prefer for it to clear that its new.

planning_officer

I wouldn't try and get it listed, as that would make any future conversion much more expensive! It's unlikely to be listed anyway, as Councils do have powers to require owners of listed buildings to maintain them to a reasonable standard and prevent them falling into decay.

In any event, whether it's listed or not isn't really the main issue here - you need to find out from your local authority whether they would allow a sensitive conversion of the building. That depends on where the building is and what policies apply - for example in rural areas and in the Green Belt the re-use of buildings can be acceptable, provided that the renovated building (and its new use) is not more intrusive in the landscape than the original building.