Nice people thread part 3- Nice as pie

Davesnave

Wheezy wrote: »

Rock guitarist Gary Moore dies

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12377862

R.I.P. Gary

....And Phil.

This lot maybe don't know who you are talking about! :rotfl:(Except Sue, who's not here ATM.) Still, I haven't much idea about their statistical discussion, so that's evened things up.

misskool

vivatifosi wrote: »

missk, having another look through the incs and the excl, can the same thing appear in different columns? That's one place it could get a bit messy.

They are different criteria for being included into the study ie, they have to be a certain age, so each criteria is a yes/no

silvercar wrote: »

And my library is closing two mornings a week and shutting earlier on some other days but they consulted first so that's OK. **sarcastic smiley*

oh no can you do the protests like in the news? Is it used much? did they do a headcount on how many customers were served in the two mornings to justify the closure? Can it be manned by volunteers?

vivatifosi

misskool wrote: »

Can it be manned by volunteers?

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LydiaJ

tomterm8 wrote: »

Do you mean a bar chart?

No, I want a real x-axis with spacing according to irregular dates, so that 3/2/11 is much closer to 1/2/11 than to 1/3/11.

Davesnave

misskool wrote: »

Can it be manned by volunteers?

....and could they, maybe, nip along and teach some of Years 4 & 5 at the primary school in the afternoon as well?

How does viva feel about being replaced by.....Oh I see she's already responded! :rotfl:

vivatifosi

misskool wrote: »

They are different criteria for being included into the study ie, they have to be a certain age, so each criteria is a yes/no

So each category is mutually exclusive? Should be ok then. Tomterm's right though. Would be easier ftf with someone.



I have very good reasons for not being able to comment on Silvercar's library, other than what I've already said, er, quite forcefully:o

misskool

LydiaJ wrote: »

No, I want a real x-axis with spacing according to irregular dates, so that 3/2/11 is much closer to 1/2/11 than to 1/3/11.

a quick google tell you how to do the irregular dates on the axis.
http://www.excelforum.com/excel-charting/486649-x-axis-scaling-on-graph.html

no idea about the rest

vivatifosi wrote: »

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry. I know it's not nice and it's a kneejerk solution but it seems to be a choice of the lesser of two evils...

vivatifosi wrote: »

So each category is mutually exclusive? Should be ok then. Tomterm's right though. Would be easier ftf with someone.

I know...i will try to find someone or a course or something. Just thought it would be nice and easy and I could have it set up and running by tomorrow am. there's thousands of little sample tubes kicking around in a freezer

vivatifosi

misskool wrote: »

sorry. I know it's not nice and it's a kneejerk solution but it seems to be a choice of the lesser of two evils...

Honestly, I'd say it takes a year to train as a library assistant and to be able to handle everything they do. In exchange for that, the typical la earns £10k less than the national average:eek:.

You can't leave a volunteer in charge of an IT suite as the sole person there looking after 30 people, one of whom is asking how to print just a portion of a document, another wants to set up a Facebook account while another is wanting to use a microfiche to look up their family history. Meanwhile at the enquiry desk you might have someone joining, someone questioning their fines, someone asking for information on writing a CV because they've just lost their job and someone else wanting out of print books on Charles II.

That's before you have to know how to process inter-library loans, items from other library's stock, items for the housebound, order in foreign language stock... etc, etc.... All of this takes training, a lot of it.

PasturesNew

vivatifosi wrote: »

Honestly, I'd say it takes a year to train as a library assistant and to be able to handle everything they do. In exchange for that, the typical la earns £10k less than the national average:eek:.

You can't leave a volunteer in charge of an IT suite as the sole person there looking after 30 people, one of whom is asking how to print just a portion of a document, another wants to set up a Facebook account while another is wanting to use a microfiche to look up their family history. Meanwhile at the enquiry desk you might have someone joining, someone questioning their fines, someone asking for information on writing a CV because they've just lost their job and someone else wanting out of print books on Charles II.

That's before you have to know how to process inter-library loans, items from other library's stock, items for the housebound, order in foreign language stock... etc, etc.... All of this takes training, a lot of it.

In the private sector you'd be expected to know/do all the IT stuff in order to get the job - and the rest you'd pick up along the way.

I think the number of people/enquirers you've just described would constitute a month's footfall at my library, except the foreign language stuff ... there's no furren muck in our library.

vivatifosi

PasturesNew wrote: »

In the private sector you'd be expected to know/do all the IT stuff in order to get the job - and the rest you'd pick up along the way.

I think the number of people/enquirers you've just described would constitute a month's footfall at my library, except the foreign language stuff ... there's no furren muck in our library.

That's why volunteering only works in small libraries, or for certain job functions. For the IT stuff you're expected to have ECDL or equivalent in most libraries, the problem is ECDL doesn't teach you how to deal with the way the public ask their questions, which often makes no sense whatsoever. It's very full on and you have to be confident in what you're doing. Volunteers would see it, try it and walk out and never come back.