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Graham_Devon

Why do people keep looking at the hourly rate figure?

If you want to look at the hourly rate figure, it's unfair to look at it only for the period worked, as the person claiming DLA get's money each week regardless of whether they have worked or not (something that doesn't happen in jobs unless you are on sick pay or maternity leave etc).

Therefore it's not a real hourly figure. If people DO want to use such a figure, then they either have to work out the DLA over a year, for the hours worked, (salary) or state that the DLA recipient should therefore receive £0 when they are not working.

It's unfair to use an hourly figure, as that's not really the case.

If DLA is £90 per week (it's something around that isn't it?)...over a year, that hourly figure for 4 weeks work in return for DLA, it works out as £39 per hour.

Or £1170 a week for a 6 hour day.

Ms-Pacman

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Why do people keep looking at the hourly rate figure?

If you want to look at the hourly rate figure, it's unfair to look at it only for the period worked, as the person claiming DLA get's money each week regardless of whether they have worked or not (something that doesn't happen in jobs unless you are on sick pay or maternity leave etc).

Therefore it's not a real hourly figure. If people DO want to use such a figure, then they either have to work out the DLA over a year, for the hours worked, (salary) or state that the DLA recipient should therefore receive £0 when they are not working.

It's unfair to use an hourly figure, as that's not really the case.

If DLA is £90 per week (it's something around that isn't it?)...over a year, that hourly figure for 4 weeks work in return for DLA, it works out as £39 per hour.

Or £1170 a week for a 6 hour day.

Thats not really the point what is being made but I understand your comment and I do agree with you.

Its just another way of looking at it to explain to people who really don't get what the problems is mainly beacuse of the way the media report it.

mardatha

DLA is not £90 a week !

Graham_Devon

mardatha wrote: »

DLA is not £90 a week !

I meant JSA

Pennywise

For those four weeks, if they are still entitled to free prescriptions, dental and eye care, housing benefit, tax credits for any other household members, free childcare, free school meals, and whatever other benefits are on offer, then the hourly rate for the hours worked will be considerably in excess of minimum wage.

sammyjammy

lemonjelly wrote: »

were the jobcentre aware of your huge brown envelope whilst you were signing on? I am sure you are aware that this is a means tested benefit, and therefore entitlement is dependent on income & savings.

Or are you admitting benefit fraud committed by yourself?

In all likelyhood he was claiming Contribution based JSA which is not means tested, its based on how much NI you've paid within two certain tax years and you can have as much money as you like and still be entitled to it, subject to other terms and conditions.

lemonjelly

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Why do people keep looking at the hourly rate figure?

If you want to look at the hourly rate figure, it's unfair to look at it only for the period worked, as the person claiming DLA get's money each week regardless of whether they have worked or not (something that doesn't happen in jobs unless you are on sick pay or maternity leave etc).

Therefore it's not a real hourly figure. If people DO want to use such a figure, then they either have to work out the DLA over a year, for the hours worked, (salary) or state that the DLA recipient should therefore receive £0 when they are not working.

It's unfair to use an hourly figure, as that's not really the case.

If DLA is £90 per week (it's something around that isn't it?)...over a year, that hourly figure for 4 weeks work in return for DLA, it works out as £39 per hour.

Or £1170 a week for a 6 hour day.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I meant JSA

JSA ain't £90 a week either Graham.

If you are 25 or over, it is currently £65.45p/w.
If you are under 25, it is currently £51.85p/w (cos lots of things cost less when you're under 25, innit?;))

I would suggest having some certainty or facts or knowledge about what you are talking about prior to expressing an opinion mate.:)

Graham_Devon

lemonjelly wrote: »

JSA ain't £90 a week either Graham.

If you are 25 or over, it is currently £65.45p/w.
If you are under 25, it is currently £51.85p/w (cos lots of things cost less when you're under 25, innit?;))

I would suggest having some certainty or facts or knowledge about what you are talking about prior to expressing an opinion mate.:)

I did say:

If DLA is £90 per week (it's something around that isn't it?)...over a year

Waiting for someone to correct me, but the point still stands.

£28 an hour then.

While were on the point....how many other payments would the average person on JSA get?

olly300

Graham_Devon wrote: »

While were on the point....how many other payments would the average person on JSA get?

According to the unemployment figures most people who claim JSA aren't long term unemployed so they get contributory JSA.

The ones who are i.e. those who fall into the harder groups to employ plus the skivers get income-based JSA. If you get income-based JSA then you are more likely to be eligible for loads of benefits such as free dental care.

I actually find these discussions amusing in one way because people slag of the skivers as they are the only type you are likely to meet if you are interviewing people and they turn up from the job centre. They don't realise until they are either made redundant with the legal minimum pay off, pushed out of their job due to their age/sex or whatever or their employer goes bust how little you are entitled to in benefits.

I always tell people to claim the dole if they are unemployed and highly skilled for more than one reason. However it really opens their eyes to how the media just lie constantly.

vaporate

foreversummer wrote: »

You either have the work ethic or you don't. This poster is an example of someone who has.

Those that don't, the ones that have chosen the benefits system over work, the ones that have gone out of their way to make themselves unemployable should be hauled off their backsides and sent out to do some honest graft.

I'm sorry vaporate that you think I am a 'vile poster' because of my stance. But I am appalled that you consider honest people who do this sort of work 'peasants'.

Foreversummer

Still whinging? lol

Not interested in 'pulling the heart strings' vote.