ATOS - evidence of the rumours?

dave030445

woodbine wrote: »

purely urban myth ! atos dont make the decision the DWP decision maker does that using the ATOS report and the esa50 form.

Who you trying to kid come on DWP DM makes the decision :rotfl::rotfl:

hrafndot

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I think its more likely that ATOS are incentivised to turn over a greater number of claimants per day.

cit_k

MrsManda wrote: »

OK for anyone who has the time and inclination, you can download an updated copy of the contract between the DWP and ATOS from the Parliament 'library'.

The documents (44) can be found HERE and are in a zip file: DEP2010-1704.ZIP

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The bits I've looked through don't say anything about being paid bonuses to class people as fit to work and I doubt there is such a thing but I haven't read it all so cannot be certain.

That would be because the entire section on payments etc is missing.

They wont supply that info.

One has to wonder why...

WhiteHorse

If ATOS rated more people as unable to work, would their contract be renewed?

The answer is fairly obvious.

Atos denies link between assessment results and remuneration.
Source: BBC News Scotland 'In full: Atos Healthcare Statement'. 25/05/2010.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10159850

Atos whistleblower exposes agenda to maximise rejections. [and other patient experiences].
Source: Amelia Gentleman 'Response suggests many people wrongly judged fit for work'. Guardian JoePublic Blog 29/03/2010
www.guardian.co.uk/society/joepublic/2010/mar/29/reader-responses-fit-to-work

cit_k

If assessors spent a long time on each assessment, over-rode the software (time consuming) and spent ages correcting the mistakes in reports/analysing evidence - would they earn less money?

Answer : Yes.

As they are paid per assessment.

MrsManda

cit_k wrote: »

That would be because the entire section on payments etc is missing.

They wont supply that info.

One has to wonder why...

If you look through ALL the documents you'll find that there is a document which says what their service agreement is but because it's commericially sensitive data it's not in the standard section but in a separate document. The only thing it doesn't explicitly say is precisely how much they paid for each component

cit_k

MrsManda wrote: »

If you look through ALL the documents you'll find that there is a document which says what their service agreement is but because it's commericially sensitive data it's not in the standard section but in a separate document. The only thing it doesn't explicitly say is precisely how much they paid for each component

If I recall, i think its section 11 or is it 12 that was missing.

No one knows the content of that entire missing section, we may now its heading, but the actual content is another matter.

Its a poor excuse for them to say it is commercially sensitive, it is public taxpayers money at stake - it should be open to inspectioin on all levels...

I dont actually think direct bonuses are paid (they may be but I doubt it) but they are not needed as they have to keep the dwp happy to maintain their contract worth about 100 million a year + assessors get paid by assessment.

Those alone are bigger incentive than a bonus payment really.

hrafndot

EU regs governing transparency of the procurement process required contracting authorities disclose everything which they take into account when choosing the successful bidder in a public procurement procedure. If they do not disclose all the tender evaluation criteria used to identify the most economically advantageous offer before the tenders are submitted, they risk facing a legal challenge on the basis that the procurement has not been sufficiently transparent. If the challenge is successful, the public procurement procedure will be set aside.

These sums are only commercially sensitive for the bidder before the event.

Salaries, for instance, in public bodies will be revealed in the annual report; performance related bonuses do not though this was my last encounter a few years ago..

cit_k

woodbine wrote: »

purely urban myth ! atos dont make the decision the DWP decision maker does that using the ATOS report and the esa50 form.

Another urban myth, as the harrington report stated that decision makers rubber stamp the atos report, and did not deviate from the ATOS reports findings (despite whatever other evidence was presented on the esa forms or by gps, consultants etc) in 98% of cases.