non-working households

lemonjelly

'd have thought this news story might have had some people champing at the bit on here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11693308

3 UK cities (glasgow, Liverpool & Nottingham) have a third of their households occupied by non-working families.

As a national average, it is approximately 1 in 5 households which contain no working person.

NB every household within the survey has at least 1 person aged 16-64 in it. Therefore homes occupied exclusively by retired people will be exempt. Houses occupied solely by students however, would be included.

Fill your boots...:cool:

Generali

There will be a chunk of these that are either people who were made redundant close to retirement age that either don't need to work and can't be bothered to find something, SAHMs whose hubbies are on the dole temporarily and any number of others that are reasonably in such a position.

The thing that stood out to me was this:

Across the whole of the UK nearly 19% of households had nobody in work.

There is some cracking social science research that could be done breaking this down into sub groups and so on. Trouble is, firstly social scientists are to a man (or woman Reg) a bunch of Lefties with an axe to grind so the outcome of any research is guaranteed to show that Capitalism Doesn't Work. Secondly, anyone that can't be bothered to work that is bright enough to game the system is bright enough to stay schtum when some middle-class prat in a cheap suit starts asking questions.

Really2

Also single parents who work is not a financial option for.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-big-question-how-many-single-parents-are-there-and-should-they-be-forced-to-work-434358.html

How many single parents are there, and how many are on benefits?

Of the 7.3 million families with parents of working age in Britain, 1.9 million are lone parents, in other words, nearly a quarter. Figures from the Department for Work and Pensions show that nearly half of all lone parents are out of work.

1M non working parents is 1M households, that would be a massive chunk of the data,

nearly 1 in 7 family households are non working single parents. That soon makes the figure more understandable.

Generali

Really2 wrote: »

Also single parents who work is not a financial option for.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-big-question-how-many-single-parents-are-there-and-should-they-be-forced-to-work-434358.html

1M non working parents is 1M households, that would be a massive chunk of the data,

There are about 23,000,000 households in the UK from memory. 1,000,000 would be a little over 4% out of the 19%. That means about 15% remains unexplained by single motherhood.

michaels

Does the 23m exclude pensioners?

Generali wrote: »

There are about 23,000,000 households in the UK from memory. 1,000,000 would be a little over 4% out of the 19%. That means about 15% remains unexplained by single motherhood.

Jowo_2

Glasgow has 3 universities with tens of thousands of students attending them, plus one on the outskirts (Paisley) and lots of colleges. According to this link, it has a student population of 168,000, the largest in Scotland.

http://www.strath.ac.uk/about/

This could cause two impacts - student properties with no one working or pressure on casual employment by students which drains the vacancies for the residents of Glasgow.

Having said that, it also has a sizeable number of EU migrants - lots of bus drivers, shop assistants, bar staff, waiters, etc, so as per usual, they are adept at gaining work even in areas which have high rates of worklessness.

I think Glasgow also has a high rate of IB/ESA claimants so I also wonder whether its the case that some urban cities have high rates of sickness and disability claimants that skews these types of figures.

Really2

Generali wrote: »

There are about 23,000,000 households in the UK from memory. 1,000,000 would be a little over 4% out of the 19%. That means about 15% remains unexplained by single motherhood.

Dont forget your figures include households with people over 65 in (and there are a lot)

This research does not.

edit, some one else has pointed that out.

Really2

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AcR7WmaoSxgJ:www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmhansrd/cm090309/text/90309w0007.htm+how+many+Retired+households+uk&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
Estimates

Number (million)
Total number of households in the UK = 25.7

Retired households = 6.5

Non-retired households= 19.2

Non-retired with children aged 0 to 15 = 6.6

So 1 in 19 of the households surveyed, just over 5%. Add your others EG retire early, disabled etc and a fair amount have been eaten in to.
or
15% of household with children under 15.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

Does the 23m exclude pensioners?

Nope. Good point!

PasturesNew

So, 3 people in Glasgow don't have jobs ... is the conclusion I think everybody reached.

lemonjelly

Really2 wrote: »

Also single parents who work is not a financial option for.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-big-question-how-many-single-parents-are-there-and-should-they-be-forced-to-work-434358.html

1M non working parents is 1M households, that would be a massive chunk of the data,

nearly 1 in 7 family households are non working single parents. That soon makes the figure more understandable.

2 things on this point.

Firstly, though they are in a minority, there are working lone parents, & there is support within the system to facilitate this.

Secondly, there are many household "claiming" to be lone parent households, which are not in reality.

In example, working in a college, it is amazing how many students live with their mom only, & the mom claims lone parent benefits. Astoundingly the sheer number of times I telephone & their just visiting father happens to answer the phone!

I also see, especially at enrolment, a lot of people come in with (people I assume to be their) partners, yet apply for the course as a lone parent.