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SORN Fine

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  • HappyMJHappyMJ Forumite
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    mikey72 wrote: »
    It's a penalty, as it's payable automatically. Don't ignore it, or it'll go to court, and you'll pay a lot more.
    If you do receive any penalties, phone or write and explain what has happened, they will normally cancel them.
    Agreed they usually do just cancel the penalty as they cannot defend the case in court without spending more than they can recover. It isn't worth it for the DVLA to defend cases so it's much easier to send as many letters as possible with more stern words each time then they sell the debt to a DCA and it never goes any further. Apart from lots of letters.
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    I'm not so sure they will cancel ordinary ones on the grounds of cost to recover as these costs will just be added to the original penalty via an almost entirely automated system.

    Having said that, I have had them cancelled on historic vehicles using the argument that sorn was introduced to stop loss of revenue to the government but as historic vehicles don't pay tax then there is no possibility of a loss
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    Thanks all for your responses - you have put our minds at rest.
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    WigWig Forumite
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    edited 2 November 2010 at 8:47PM
    HappyMJ wrote: »
    Really should quote 31(A) and 31(B) of that Act. It is an offence to have an unlicensed vehicle. It is an exemption at the relevant time the vehicle is neither kept nor used on a public road. It is not a criminal offence to not SORN a vehicle. It simply is a civil matter between DVLA and yourself.

    And yes there is a difference between an "criminal" fine and a "civil" penalty. You could go to jail for not paying a fine and not paying a penalty will only lead to a CCJ in the worst case scenario.

    Didn't quote them cos there was no need.


    31B Exceptions to section 31A
    (1) A person ( “the registered keeper") in whose name an unlicensed vehicle is registered at any particular time ( “the relevant time") does not commit an offence under section 31A at that time if any of the following conditions are satisfied.

    (2) The first condition is that the registered keeper—
    (a) is not at the relevant time the person keeping the vehicle, and

    (b) if previously he was the person keeping the vehicle, he has by the relevant time complied with any requirements under section 22(1)(d)—
    (i) that are prescribed for the purposes of this condition, and
    (ii) that he is required to have complied with by the relevant or any earlier time.


    (3) The second condition is that—
    (a) the registered keeper is at the relevant time the person keeping the vehicle,

    (b) at the relevant time the vehicle is neither kept nor used on a public road, and

    (c) the registered keeper has by the relevant time complied with any requirements under section 22(1D)—
    (i) that are prescribed for the purposes of this condition, and
    (ii) that he is required to have complied with by the relevant or any earlier time.

    Section 22(1D) Is a requirement to declare SORN (or to declare change of keeper), If you don't declare SORN you will commit a criminal offence. At least that's the way I read it.
  • Hi,

    I registered my motorbike SORN about 3 years ago. I have since moved and for various reasons l didn't think to reSORN the bike and have moved a couple of times since so did not get any mail forwarded.
    I now want to put it back on the road. I can see that when I try to tax it I will have to pay the £80 fine. But under what circumstances does it become more than £80?

    PS. I'm new to this should I start a new thread?
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    1st_aide wrote: »
    Hi,

    I registered my motorbike SORN about 3 years ago. I have since moved and for various reasons l didn't think to reSORN the bike and have moved a couple of times since so did not get any mail forwarded.
    I now want to put it back on the road. I can see that when I try to tax it I will have to pay the £80 fine. But under what circumstances does it become more than £80?

    PS. I'm new to this should I start a new thread?
    Did you update you driving licence address and registered keeper address for the bike each time you moved? I suspect not because the DVLA send out SORN reminders. Potentially you could be open for 3 different penalties, failure to notify change of driver address, failure to notify change of keeper address and failure to renew SORN.
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  • Thanks, my drivers license has been kept up to date with the correct address. But I didn't think this was necessarily linked with a vehicle (?).
    When I moved I did not update the registered keepers address. Is this liable for a separate fine?
    Am I looking at:
    £80 for not updating SORN, as I did not get the reminder because I had not updated the keepers address another £XX fine?
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