Double Yellow line advice

forgotmyname

The drivers should know not to park on the zigzags to the crossing, I never would under any circumstances.

Double yellows yes no problem the company gets the fine for that. Crossings though thats points on my licence.

skiddlydiddly

Drivers are often expected to pay their own fines.

DaveF-if the drivers did that the supermarket manager would be straight on the phone to their office, who would contact the driver and tell him to move.Hauliers aren't going to deliberately annoy their customers, even if it would seem poetic justice.
They are driving large vehicles, its not like they can just drive around in circles all day and remember they have to obey tacho laws too.

gilbert_and_sullivan

I sometimes deliver to supermarkets on own account basis, even though the trucks are in company livery they may well come from 3 or more different RDC's, it's not the driver's fault though they shouldn't park on crossings.

It sounds like this needs sorting, as said get the local planning authority to negotiate with the supermarket head office, who will probably be very accomodating with this and will prefer to come to a voluntary agreement and not wish to antagonise things maybe causing rigid restrictions to be enforced on their planning agreement.

There could easily be a planned system for this particular store, eg driver phone's store 20 minutes before arrival, store then directs them to queue at a suitable pre agreed local staging point (some more neighbours to upset) and then the store phone them when they can come in.

BLT_2

forgotmyname wrote: »

The drivers should know not to park on the zigzags to the crossing, I never would under any circumstances.

Double yellows yes no problem the company gets the fine for that. Crossings though thats points on my licence.

Incorrect - the companies consider it the drivers responsibility to obey the road laws pertaining to parking regulations, regardless of the circumstances, at the same time as expecting them to make deliveries.

I certainly wouldn't want to be a long distance lorry driver, it looks like a gutty job and they have my sympathies, I certainly wouldnt report them just for parking on double yellow lines when it didnt actually affect my life in any way.

johnfarquhar74

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

It sounds like this needs sorting, as said get the local planning authority to negotiate with the supermarket head office, who will probably be very accomodating with this and will prefer to come to a voluntary agreement and not wish to antagonise things maybe causing rigid restrictions to be enforced on their planning agreement.

There could easily be a planned system for this particular store, eg driver phone's store 20 minutes before arrival, store then directs them to queue at a suitable pre agreed local staging point (some more neighbours to upset) and then the store phone them when they can come in.

I'm pretty sure the second part has been suggested before but I'm going to see my local councillor at their next surgery meeting and suggest again. Nobody local here doubts the requirement for the deliveries, we nearly ALL shop at the store so would be hypocrits if we did, but as xmas is approaching we feel it would be better to do something now rather than later as come christmas the deliveries go into overdrive (as I'm sure all you professional drivers know) and the problem that I perceive it to be is the fact the road is a dead end, if a large vehicle turns into the road, then realises he has no chance of getting into the yard, s/he has no option but to park up and wait!

Thanks again for the advice!

johnfarquhar74

BLT wrote: »

I certainly wouldnt report them just for parking on double yellow lines when it didnt actually affect my life in any way.

Fair enough, as I said in my original post, I didn't want this to come across as NIMBYism but alas, when someone says that, everyone else is thinking 'NIMBY' )
I genuinely don't have a problem with a delivery driver parked up on our (tongue in cheek, I know it's not ours) road, either for 2 seconds or 2 days (has happened, Romanian lorry was there for 2 days/1 night). The 'problem' that we have is when there are two or more vehicles parked up. It's a regular width residential road, not a main road and there just isn't the width for these things. Passing a row of these vehicles isn't the greatest and it just gets worse when you add to the mix the traffic from the small retail park. You get a lot of mexican stand-off situations with cars nose to nose, one or more refusing to reverse.
Add to that the reduced visibility for both drivers & pedestrians at the zebra crossing, it's an accident waiting to happen IMO.

Hammyman

If you don't want them there, don't use the store. If nobody buys the goods, there's no need for the lorries. Simples.

Just out of interest, how annoyed would you be if the store hadn't got any stock of something you wanted and expected to be there?

johnfarquhar74

Hammyman wrote: »

If you don't want them there, don't use the store. If nobody buys the goods, there's no need for the lorries. Simples.

A bit too simple, I don't have a problem with the store location or the store itself. Just the fact they built it 10 yrs ago with no where for the trucks to legally go in between arriving at the store and unloading there goods. The store did have the chance to rectify this last year when they went through a rather large store expansion by creating a layby for waiting vehicles, but this would have taken numbers away from their customer parking and they wouldn't have been allowed to increase their square footage.

Hammyman wrote: »

Just out of interest, how annoyed would you be if the store hadn't got any stock of something you wanted and expected to be there?

I'd be rather peeved as the store is on my doorstep, I'd have to jump on my bike/bus/car and travel to the next nearest supermarket, no biggie!
To clarify, I have no problem with the store being here, I have no problem with the number of vehicles required to maintain stock levels in this large store. I do however have an ongoing issue with the fact that the store knowingly forces it's drivers to break the rules of the road and maybe even put their employment at risk through the points system, but more importantly, potentially puts it's neighbours (us) at risk.
I didn't want to get too emotive on the subject but one of the driving forces behind my post was because the council has acknowledged there is a safety risk and is taking some action* but is stopping short of enforcing the no parking rules!

*Last year an OAP was killed by a lorry at a pedestrian crossing just 50Yds from the junction where the trucks come and go. The pelican crossing is, as we type, being changed to a puffin type crossing and is being done so as a direct consequence of the ladies death.

flyingscotno1

I think councillors are what is needed here to be honest. Get photos and times and send letters. Build up as much information as you can and it will get sorted.

bigjl

The real offender here is the supermarket, how did they get planning permission through when tit must have been obvious that the yard was going to be too small and the trucks would need to wait outside illegally parked.

It might be worth making some noise with the LA as there may have been some "brown envelope" politics taking place.