Huge student fees to limit house prices further?

neverdespairgirl

lostinrates wrote: »

Compounding this problem is that many ''give back'' careers were made degree courses. My grandmother, not an academic woman but a very capable practical one, was by all accounts a very good ward sister, then a very respected community nurse. She would not have wanted to, or been able to, complete an academic degree.

Same with my paternal grandmother. She was a nurse, too, as were her 4 older sisters. They all qualified via on-the-job training - it was very tough training, too, the hours were horrific and the pay almost non-existent.

tomterm8

jamespmg44 wrote: »

Also, if the student doesn't get at a minimum BBB in their A levels or BBBBB in Highers in Scotland they should automatically be excluded from entering university as they are simply not up to the educational ability to study for a higher level of education and should be placed on vocational study.

A levels are a particularly poor indicator of performance at degree level. If you were to require a minimum of BBB in A levels, then you would exclude people like my father - who didn't get any a levels, due to dyslexia, but latter on with proper support got a distinction at masters degree level in Economics, and has been teaching at the OU and one of the best schools in the country for a couple of decades.

You would also exclude people like me, who are very good at one thing, and so so at most other things. I got poor grades at A level - much lower than the ones you suggest. In my degree course I got the best grade out of 200 students in all three years.

It's not smart to exclude people from university who chose to study something they are very good at, simply because they didn't get good grades at an A level subject unrelated to the degree and which they were not interested in.

shortchanged_2

THE_GHOULS_PARADISE wrote: »

ALL STUDENTS THlNK THEY ARE DOING AN 'AWESOME' CAREER UNTIL THEY UND UP ON THE STUDENT LANDFILL OF OF NOTHINGNESS. BUT THE BEST OF LUCK SECURING A JOB PLAYING GAMES ALL DAY LONG.

Well it's thanks to people like these computer boffins that we are able to have this interesting discussion gimpHPC.

Also I'm sure they contribute more to the economy than you do.

So give up spouting all your demented guff because you make yourself look like Forest Gumps brother with the lower IQ.

IveSeenTheLight

Jonbvn wrote: »

It will obviously reduce the number of students. So BTL/HMO properties must surely be due a cull?

Let's suppose there is a reduction in students (although I'm not sure how quantifiable that would be), these are still people that will need a place to live, get into relationships etc.

There would still be a demand for property.
Presumably if they are not going on to furhter education, they would be planning to go into employment.

Presumably, they would not be having the same debts as the students.

Therefore presumably, they would be having an income with no debts.

Presumably then they would wither be staying at home and spending more on the economy / saving for a deposit or finding a flat to rent.

As an indpendent youth, I recall the desire to move out of the family home into a place of my own. I'm sure this would be similar accross the country

FTBFun

I wonder if this will lead to more shared rooms in student accomodation? As unlike in the US and some places on the continent, its quite rare to see shared rooms in halls over here.

The_White_Horse

i think its about time poor people realised they don't deserve anything. if Oxbridge want to charge 12k a year and you can't afford it, then that is tough luck.

i want a bentley. i can't afford one. that's tough. I might be the world's best driver. I might "deserve" one, but I can't afford one. but guess what, if my parents were extremely rich, they might buy me one.

the sooner people realise that life IS unfair, the sooner people can just get on with things.

stop moaning!!!!

in my opinion, this whole problem, like most problems, is completely the fault of the moron lefty. what the hell is the point of 50% of people going to university??????

university should be for the academic elite only. typical lefty devaluing of something special. a degree 50 years ago is worth 100 degrees now.

david beckham studies, golf course management studies. what a crock.

carolt

Re the subject of this thread, yes, I do think the student fees changes will have a big effect on house prices. Consider: current middle class parents have just been hit by the double-whammy of losing child benefit plus suddenly discovering that they need to put far more money aside than they had previously to help their children pay for university education.

So precisely the group who previously would have bought the bulk of big familiy houses (and a fair proportion of the BTLs) will suddenly discover that they have both far less coming in and far greater outgoings than previously.

Which means far less to spend on housing, and investing in BTL, say, entirely out of the question.

Which will have a huge effect on demand.

And don't forget, we're not talking about those previously always excluded from the property market - we're talking about its core market.

Meaning both the first tier of the property market - recent graduates, who are FTBs, and the middle tier - mum and dad, will both be now far shorter of cash than previously.

Big, big impact. = Lower prices.

Kenny4315

The_White_Horse wrote: »

david beckham studies, golf course management studies. what a crock.

You need 4 devalued A * A levels for a course of this stature ...

25 years of on-going improvements my a$$ ....

reads

25 years of on-going making it easier to pass ... :mad:

The_White_Horse

what is the point of a degree if everyone has one?

Kenny4315

The_White_Horse wrote: »

what is the point of a degree if everyone has one?

That Incredibles film summed it up, 'when everyone is incredible then no-one will be'. or something along those lines.