MSE News: University fees could rocket after funding review

Stryder

Money saving hint....

Don't go to University ...

Clegg went to Cambridge University; Cameron went to Oxford University ... neither paid.... Now are both wealthy enough to pay for their children to go.

Now put a hat on me and call me Susan, but does anyone think that this has any influence on how they perceive this issue?



Clegg is a joke

Students of the world Unite

EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, AND NOT A PRIVILEGED

SCRAP TUITION FEES, REINSTATE GRANTS FOR THOSE UNABLE TO AFFORD LIVING COSTS AND STOP BLAMING THOSE UNDER 18 FOR THE PROBLEMS AND POLICIES CAUSED BY THOSE (AND THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THEM) WHO ARE ALL OVER 18

SCRAP TUITION FEES, SCRAP CLEGG!

welshmoneylover

Stryder wrote: »

Money saving hint....



EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, AND NOT A PRIVILEGED

WML hint........ at least spell the word PRIVILEGE CORRECTLY :rotfl:

No wonder some of our students are not ready to enter the workplace

Dylanwing

Some bald t0sser on Newsnight trying to justify it. The more he opens his mouth, the worse it sounds, it seems that money-sharking is also part of the deal.
The effects of this lunacy will really hit in about 10 years time as the majority cannot afford to buy a house, graduates will avoid paying the debt, there will be a shortage of people doing the 'longer' degrees, and social mobility will be low. Then in 30 years time, another crisis as the debts get written off, so our children pay once again for the folly of a bunch of half-wits.

Stryder

welshmoneylover wrote: »

WML hint........ at least spell the word PRIVILEGE CORRECTLY :rotfl:

No wonder some of our students are not ready to enter the workplace

I am self employed - a student (OU) doing my 3rd degree and slightly dyslexic... cheers for that little dig :T

I think you are soooo cool

PS it was a typo and an error in tense- not in fact spelling, you :mad:!!%$:mad:&*$£:mad:£$%:mad:

Stryder

Next step - Children should all bring a £5 a day into school to pay there teachers. If your poor you get the teachers who do not charge much (if your lucky as no one will bother bothering going to uni to get a degree in teaching)- great market economy!

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Stryder

Dylanwing wrote: »

Some bald t0sser on Newsnight trying to justify it. The more he opens his mouth, the worse it sounds, it seems that money-sharking is also part of the deal.
The effects of this lunacy will really hit in about 10 years time as the majority cannot afford to buy a house, graduates will avoid paying the debt, there will be a shortage of people doing the 'longer' degrees, and social mobility will be low. Then in 30 years time, another crisis as the debts get written off, so our children pay once again for the folly of a bunch of half-wits.

"But when confronted today, Mr Cable admitted the pledge would have to be abandoned. He said: "Let me just finally confront this issue of the pledge, the promise, which I and my colleagues undertook to implement.
"Under current economic circumstances we cannot implement that."

Hmmm I thought a pledge was "implemented" the moment it was signed/made. I think the word he was looking for was honoured (although maybe the word "betrayed" was stuck in his mind instead). Who would have thought the Cablemeister would have cracked so soon.... tut tut

I looks like Clegg has learnt from Cameron that its good to have someone more gullible to take the fall for betraying your voters. Whats so annoying is that by the time Clegg faces the electorate he will undoubtedly be wearing a blue tie and sitting on Cameron's lap
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/vince-cable-bears-brunt-of-tuition-fee-anger-2104207.html

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irishwench69

sarahs999 wrote: »

It will also mean that the less vocational courses die a death. Education should be about learning for learning's sake, not just to set you up for a particular career.

I studied philosophy at uni and it is a hugely important and valuable discipline, but as it doesn't lead automatically to a job I would have never chosen to do it if I thought I would have to pay off £36,000 at the end, as I don't come from a rich family. Nor am interested in a high-paying job (I work in the media!) so I would be saddled paying off the debt for the rest of my life.

So incredibly sad to think our children won't have the same choices. Education should be the backbone of a country.

Really?

Ever consider that actually as you're studying the course, you have an obligation to pay fees? Why should other people subsidise you doing a course you freely admit doesn't lead to a job / career?

The world isn't fair - not everyone gets to go to university or do exactly what they want. It is reasonable enough to assume you would choose a university course based at least in part on getting a job afterwards!

Nor do you have to be rich - that's what grants etc are for (yes, they might be less common but they do still exist!), or you have other options, such as studying part time while working.

What has changed fundamentally? Students still need to pay fees, they will pay it back after their course (as is the case now) - yes it will be more, but the threshold at which payments starts is going up - so if you make £10,000 / yr, you wouldn't be making payments back anyway!

There is a huge funding gap - the money has to come from somewhere - where else do people think it should come from? I think having students pay back for their own education is fairer than all taxpayers paying for it via increases elsewhere!

(Of course ideally the number of universities / certain departments would drop, and this would help fund the gap, but that's not likely to happen sadly......)

Oh and before people jump on me, I paid tuition fees, and got through uni without being rich - just good old SLC and part-time work like so many others.

Also, I did a scientific degree - it really riles me seeing so many people doing degrees that have no real value. I would have had no problem doing a vocational course if that had been what I wanted to do (two of my siblings went this route as it suited what they wanted to do).

But frankly lots of people are going to uni because they can't (or won't) get a job, they're not sure of what to do next, or just fancy the social scene. Is it really fair that other funding is cut or taxpayers pay the burden for people like this?

IW x

sarahs999

Yes, really. Teaching people to think is immeasurably useful. Sadly this doesn't seem to be on the syllabus of most courses.

It's the thinkers of the future who will hopefully find a way to get the country out of the mess it's in.

The_One_Who

Stryder wrote: »

EDUCATION IS A RIGHT, AND NOT A PRIVILEGED

No. Compulsory schooling is a 'right', but further and higher education should be for those with the academic ability. I agree that it should not be about the ability to pay, but it is most certainly not a 'right'.

irishwench69 wrote: »

Also, I did a scientific degree - it really riles me seeing so many people doing degrees that have no real value. I would have had no problem doing a vocational course if that had been what I wanted to do (two of my siblings went this route as it suited what they wanted to do).

But frankly lots of people are going to uni because they can't (or won't) get a job, they're not sure of what to do next, or just fancy the social scene. Is it really fair that other funding is cut or taxpayers pay the burden for people like this?

What constitutes real value? Who decides that? Also, a lot of people are at university because it is what is expected for them, they don't know of other options and because they think it's a golden ticket to a high-paying job.

I think university should be about education for education's sake, universities are not graduate-factories. The government are really doing everything in their power to destroy UK universities. Blue-skies research can lead to some amazing discoveries, but now research funding is being applied through a framework of 'policy-relevance' and 'impact' in the short-term. This is a huge blow to the arts and humanities, which will impact on future students with departments like history and English literature (two of the most popular courses) really suffering.

This shouldn't discourage poorer students, as loans will still be available. If they want to go to university, then they still can. Everyone might just need to justify it to themselves more than they do currently.

Dylanwing

Stryder wrote: »

"But when confronted today, Mr Cable admitted the pledge would have to be abandoned. He said: "Let me just finally confront this issue of the pledge, the promise, which I and my colleagues undertook to implement.
"Under current economic circumstances we cannot implement that."

Hmmm I thought a pledge was "implemented" the moment it was signed/made. I think the word he was looking for was honoured (although maybe the word "betrayed" was stuck in his mind instead). Who would have thought the Cablemeister would have cracked so soon.... tut tut

I looks like Clegg has learnt from Cameron that its good to have someone more gullible to take the fall for betraying your voters. Whats so annoying is that by the time Clegg faces the electorate he will undoubtedly be wearing a blue tie and sitting on Cameron's lap
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/vince-cable-bears-brunt-of-tuition-fee-anger-2104207.html

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Cable is just a lying scumsucker. I detest these individuals who have principles in opposition, then throw them away so easily given a whiff of power. (As Prescott did) Osborne may be an odious, nasty creep, but at least he had no principles to ditch. As for Clegg, I think he will be an ex-MP at the next election as he seems pretty hated in Sheffield for turning blue.
The bald idiot I referred to was David Willetts. He sounded like even he did not even believe the garbage he was spouting!