its not even about debates !

bluebeary

im so sick of reading threads about benefits and the benefit system and i get more than you for sitting watching jeremy kyle than you do out at work all day, good for them !

im so sick of hearing about the class system and how people who wear suits and earn more are higher up than someone who works in retail and yet their enunciation is abysmal and they dont dine properly, im so sick of it, please create a benefit and class system forum, please ?

meher

Talk about benefits can't be compartmentalised. imo. It pervades all topics. It will haunt the seekers just as it drains the taxpayers. Apparently we're all in it together. My perception of these discussions are not the same as yours though - I've seen unjust attacks launched on the haves by the have-nots and envy is not an ugly trait but also a deadly sin according to holy scriptures, specially after coveting a good chunk from the haves to lead decent lives. In any case the poor don't have to actualy crumble thinking about other people who are more privileged - in a democracy they have more power because they are a majority, or so the rest of us are told when the wealthy are expected to pay more and more from their share to distribute it to the poor.

bluebeary

who are the haves and who are the have nots, there was a lady on tv yesterday evening up in arms because she wasnt going to get five hundred pound a week anymore ?

i think id rather be a have not because i spent two weeks off work due to a bad back and after only two days i was going insane with boredom and worrying about my department, cant hack not working

meher

bluebeary wrote: »

who are the haves and who are the have nots

good question; on reflection the tax payers are soon going to be the have-nots

cit_k

meher wrote: »

Talk about benefits can't be compartmentalised. imo. It pervades all topics. It will haunt the seekers just as it drains the taxpayers. Apparently we're all in it together. My perception of these discussions are not the same as yours though - I've seen unjust attacks launched on the haves by the have-nots and envy is not an ugly trait but also a deadly sin according to holy scriptures, specially after coveting a good chunk from the haves to lead decent lives. In any case the poor don't have to actualy crumble thinking about other people who are more privileged - in a democracy they have more power because they are a majority, or so the rest of us are told when the wealthy are expected to pay more and more from their share to distribute it to the poor.

Jesus supported welfare, feeding the five thousand and what not.

Saucepot

There already is a forum for people on benefits seeking advice. That isn't the place to debate the welfare system. DT is set up for general debate on issues of the day.

Benefits happens to be a current affair and in the news. I can understand that it upsets those that go out and work and pay tax for a modest income and see the lazy and fekless better off than they are.

Hopefully the Tories will succeed in knocking "benefits Britain" on the head. Then all the benefits threads will be moaning scroungers rather than annoyed tax payers.

Saucepot

cit_k wrote: »

Jesus supported welfare, feeding the five thousand and what not.

And that's where he was wrong. He should have teached them to fish, rather than feed a load of lazy scroungers.

How Christianity got to be a world religion is based on the politics of unifying the Roman Empire. It's got nothing to do with the idiot religion being logical.

meher

cit_k wrote: »

Jesus supported welfare, feeding the five thousand and what not.

Please don't make anyone look like they're heartess ct_k; this is my first and last post to you on this because I don't offer airtime for those who debate disingenuously. I suggest you look out for people who respond equally dishonestly. The best observation I've come across from someone on these sort of topics is that this limitless generosity being taken to extremes and people not willing to admit there are issues about fraud and immorality and generally in the wrong. That's not being generous so much as being amoral.

we both know that we're not speaking about the welfare for those who need it and that serves as a safety net

what's becoming a burden and tedious is when the tax payer feels the pinch and they feel the pinch when the needy becomes greedy and when the lazy become frauds

And the saint, Jesus, we both so love also said thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not desire and covet that doesn't belong to you, be it jewels, wife, donkey or slave. Do you even care what the taxpayers think or are you happy to indulge and promote this sense of entitelment regardless. I'm actually not too bothered to object even if it is the case but I hold no respect either.

Fifer

Didn't there used to be more posts on this thread? Are we not allowed to joke any more? Jesus Christ ...