Double Glazing What Price? UPVC Sash Big Victorian House

sashman

Leveller there were things being said that were misleading, whats so wrong with saying thank you when someone says something nice about your company?

As for the double glazing review web site, there's no advertising like you said, it says companies pay to list thir accreditations and logos etc. That's it.

Sashman

leveller2911

sashman wrote: »

Leveller there were things being said that were misleading, whats so wrong with saying thank you when someone says something nice about your company?

As for the double glazing review web site, there's no advertising like you said, it says companies pay to list thir accreditations and logos etc. That's it.

Sashman

My point is Sashman you've already openly touted for business in the past by telling people to "PM me for a qoute" so when you post "please PM for advice" then it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work it out.....


On another thread you openly asked for pm's from people to give them quotes you then say:

QUOTE:"there is a company called masterframe that specialise in sash windows (they only make sash windows nothing else) they offer windows to the trade and via a network of installers with a product that planners love, bygone. PM me for more info".......


Then on this thread you mention Masterframe/bygone is your company but failed to be honest and open on previous thread about your connections to Masterframe.........

leveller2911

sashman wrote: »

Leveller

As for funding on that web site it says companies can list for free or pay to display their logos and accreditations etc http://www.doubleglazingcompanies.com/companies-signup/

Sashman

So its not an impartial site then is it...........Lets be quite honest about this if a company gets a free listing do they get the same service as a company who pays to list?.......No obviously not so people should take any site such as this with a huge pinch of salt.......

The site is a LTD company and as such is there to make money so its very deceiving not to openly admit that...

I can see you have given good advice on some posts but your very misleading too.....

If I'm wrong then feel free to prove me wrong and I will delete my post.....

sashman

leveller2911 wrote: »

My point is Sashman you've already openly touted for business in the past by telling people to "PM me for a qoute" so when you post "please PM for advice" then it doesn't take a brain surgeon to work it out.....


On another thread you openly asked for pm's from people to give them quotes you then say:

QUOTE:"there is a company called masterframe that specialise in sash windows (they only make sash windows nothing else) they offer windows to the trade and via a network of installers with a product that planners love, bygone. PM me for more info".......


Then on this thread you mention Masterframe/bygone is your company but failed to be honest and open on previous thread about your connections to Masterframe.........

Leveller I resent your suggestion that I am only interested in commercial gain.

Nowhere on the log in process does anyone ask to publish connected companies, only that touting for business isn’t permitted.

I am not aware that I have EVER said “PM me for a quote.” One person did ask for a quote last year, and I informed her about someone that could. We don’t sell direct to the public so I don’t need leads from MSE.

I note that you yourself have PM'd me for information. Nobody forced you to do that nor has anyone forced anyone else to pm a contributor that seems to know their stuff.

I am not aware that anyone has been offended or unhappy with any reply to a pm, or thought that my answer was in some way inaccurate. No doubts someone will correct that statement if they feel otherwise.

I am proud to stand behind my companies and want to ensure that any inaccurate MSE postings are corrected.

I am also very happy to give advice, both publically and privately should people wish, and despite your suggestion that is not touting for business, I am happy to give back to an industry that has provided me a decent income for the past 40 years.

As for you protestations regarding the fairness of the review site you mentioned, I suggest you take that up with that web site. On the face of it you are wrong so I look forward to you removing your comments, but quite frankly I am not interested.

If MSE considers that I have breached their rules and my contributions have been unhelpful then I expect them to advise me accordingly, until then I will continue to offer advice, frank, open, honest advice, to anyone that chooses to ask for it, so that normal retail customers have a better understanding of the pitfalls of the double glazing industry and the products it offers.

sashman

leveller2911

sashman wrote: »

Leveller I resent your suggestion that I am only interested in commercial gain.

Nowhere on the log in process does anyone ask to publish connected companies, only that touting for business isn’t permitted.

I am not aware that I have EVER said “PM me for a quote.” One person did ask for a quote last year, and I informed her about someone that could. We don’t sell direct to the public so I don’t need leads from MSE.



https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3181288=

Read this thread and especially post 5..........Clear as day...... Sorry sashman but thats a lie....






I am not aware that anyone has been offended or unhappy with any reply to a pm, or thought that my answer was in some way inaccurate. No doubts someone will correct that statement if they feel otherwise.

"I am proud to stand behind my companies and want to ensure that any inaccurate MSE postings are corrected."

I'm sure you are but in the thread I posted a link to you promoted Masterframe but failed to mention your links to the company

I am also very happy to give advice, both publically and privately should people wish, and despite your suggestion that is not touting for business, I am happy to give back to an industry that has provided me a decent income for the past 40 years.

As for you protestations regarding the fairness of the review site you mentioned, I suggest you take that up with that web site. On the face of it you are wrong so I look forward to you removing your comments, but quite frankly I am not interested.


How am I wrong? feel free to explain and like I said I will delete my post ,so far you haven't explained anything..

If MSE considers that I have breached their rules and my contributions have been unhelpful then I expect them to advise me accordingly, until then I will continue to offer advice, frank, open, honest advice, to anyone that chooses to ask for it, so that normal retail customers have a better understanding of the pitfalls of the double glazing industry and the products it offers.

sashman

People who represent T-mobile, Orange and other companies openly post on their signatures that they are representing the companies so maybe you should consider doing the same

Ben84

funkyfresh3000 wrote: »

If anyone can point out any other benefits to wood over UPVC - bar the fact that hardwood would suit a victorian house better and add a degree of value to the property - that would be very useful

I'm not so keen on UPVC and to some extent double glazing for a number of reasons. UPVC window quality varies, so does life span, but ultimately when things do start to go wrong with UPVC repair options are limited. Issues with plastic discolouration or stains that can't be cleaned off are largely impossible to solve I've found, so when the glossy fresh look starts to fade it's visually downhill from there. Bird droppings caused a lot of ugly permanent damage to the plastic windows in our old house - even when cleaned off fairly quickly. Hinges have been an ongoing issue in previous houses too. While the metal assembly can be replaced, problems have turned up with what should be a simple task. Plastic can't be cut, filled or shaped to fit a new hinge very readily, so without an identical hinge to replace it's difficult. Also, plastic can't take wood filler, if your screw holes holding the hinge get damaged it's a problem. Handles coming loose suffer similar problems. Loose or detaching joints in casement or frame are basically impossible to repair too it seems and there's nothing that helps with cracks in the UPVC.

I've come to the conclusion that UPVC windows do if well made have a reasonable maintenance free period, but ultimately are disposable items you can't repair eventually. Wood is much easier to repair and repainting, while an ongoing cost does refresh the windows with good results. I like being able to use different colours too.

As for double glazed units, I've had problems with them loosing their gas fill and instead filling up with water. It initially shows up as condensation between the panes. The whole glass unit then has to be thrown away and replaced. From my experience you'd be doing well if you didn't need to replace most the units in 5-10 years and I've seen many last less. Saves on gas, but costs a lot in glass.

If UPVC is a good or bad choice depends really. Generally I prefer wooden windows that are well maintained and secondary glazing to solve the problems with draughts and heat loss. However, UPVC is fine when the windows are a basic style, most of all when they're a modern standard size and full replacements if needed later are not too costly. A £2000 custom window that might develop serious and difficult to repair problems some time down the line is just too expensive. A generic £300 casement is not such a worry however and maybe when you factor in savings on painting costs for the functional life not such a bad deal.

sashman

leveller

I stand corrected, i did not recall making that statement I apologise and will remove the price bit if I am able.

As for putting company names on as signatures, I didnt know that was possible nor acceptable, if that makes it more open I am all in favour and will do just that once I work out how.

sashman

DavidRedman

villabadger wrote: »

I wouldn't consider using a national company as I can't see how they can give you the service that a local company can give you. My case is slightly different as I am having new sashes fitted to existing boxes which means each one is made to measure - none of my windows are the same size or square!
I am using a 'one man band' joiner who we discovered through new friendships - only moved to the area (Devon) less than a year ago. He had lots of photos of previous work - windows, staircases, kitchens, furniture etc, so we were extremely confident of his ability and quality of workmanship. He has built all sashes in his workshop and kept us informed with photos of the progress. Once completed, he delivered them to us to inspect the quality before glazing. The work is still ongoing but he works as though he is working on his own house and has great attention to detail. I really can't see how a national company can give you this type of service.
I have not heard of Bygone before your post. Having looked at their website - it is very informative and honed marketing-wise but I find it very strange that there isn't a huge photo gallery showing how good their windows are - I couldn't find it anyway! It is very 'we're the best', 'we've got this and that' but I can't see the evidence of really how good the windows are. I'm not having a pop at them directly - it's no different to the type of marketing you get from an company with a decent budget. The only thing I would do is get a list of a few of their customers and have a drive round to look at the work - from a distance and up close, if possible. You can then decide if they look authentic or not.
Good luck with whatever you decide.

Hello
Im also from North Devon and in the same predicament as many on this forum. Old house, new windows, cost vs upvc? My boxes are also good and i would love to put timber back-but at what cost? If I could budget £20,000 for new xglazed timber, I would; but i cant so i need to find a chap like the one you used because he sounds perfect! I have a builder just like him, he's brilliant, but i need him to build, and just that. I need another man on the team, a joiner.
We are very lucky down here in the West Country, there are lots of places where you can still find good people. Must be a nightmare in the big smokes. I had everest quote me for timber xglazed etc etc victorian sashs. I nearly fell off the wall i was sitting on.For 1 window (i need 14) very large, tripple sashs, just under £7000. I know-you just thought was i said to the rep - i couldnt help it -it just came out. Needless to say i descided to look for help elsewhere.
Would it be at all possible to get my contact details to your friend? He might be just round the coast from me? I may even know you :-)
thanks