Parking ticket in residential street with no bay markings - Newham - Grrrrr

fbreza

Hi

I received a parking ticket whilst parking on a road with no indication that it was a restricted parking zone.

I was under the impression that residential parking zones/ pay & Display had bays marked on the road.

The opposite side of the road had these markings, but not the side of the road i parked on.

There was sign on a lampost (i later noticed) but no markings on the road.

I have appealed, but they have refused to accept this. The letter I received back in response didn't mention my issue of road markings, only that there was a sign on the lampost..therefore they have refused my appeal

Am I in the right????


The Ticket:



The car pictures taken at the time of the incident:

Crabman

PCN: http://www.masjidansar.com/images/stories/events/ticket/parkingticket.jpg

The car pictures taken at the time of the incident:

peter_the_piper

What did the sign say??

fbreza

peter_the_piper wrote: »

What did the sign say??

Permit holders or pay & Display (2 hours limit)
Mon-Sat 8am- 6.30pm
Pay at machine (display ticket)

peter_the_piper

I would suggest that in informal appeal stating "the contravention did not occur" as there are no bay markings or lines. Expect Newham to refuse as they nearly always do. I would also post this as well on pepipoo.com for a balanced view.

fbreza

peter_the_piper wrote: »

I would suggest that in informal appeal stating "the contravention did not occur" as there are no bay markings or lines. Expect Newham to refuse as they nearly always do. I would also post this as well on pepipoo.com for a balanced view.

I did appeal saying the "contravention didn't occur" and they turned it down

Thanks for your comments

Orford

Looks like the road has been resurfaced recently and a bay only replaced on one side of the road as oppsed to both sides previously. See:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Rutland+Road+Newham&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&hq=&hnear=Rutland+Rd,+Stratford,+Greater+London+E7+8,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.541049,0.043502&spn=0.001256,0.001733&z=19&layer=c&cbll=51.541335,0.043324&panoid=Z6a5ehodYOEGXtKcrbMMlw&cbp=12,78.52,,1,5.42

It's in a CPZ so anywhere that is not a bay should have a SYL. Additionally signs say pay at machine, but gives no indication which direction machine is (same on Shrewsbury Road) and on Google streets I can't see a machine anywhere either in Rutland or Shrewsbury.

It's unlikely the TRO has been amended since resurfacing, so wouldn't reflect what is actually on the ground now.

fbreza

Orford wrote: »

Looks like the road has been resurfaced recently and a bay only replaced on one side of the road as oppsed to both sides previously. See

It's in a CPZ so anywhere that is not a bay should have a SYL. Additionally signs say pay at machine, but gives no indication which direction machine is (same on Shrewsbury Road) and on Google streets I can't see a machine anywhere either in Rutland or Shrewsbury.

It's unlikely the TRO has been amended since resurfacing, so wouldn't reflect what is actually on the ground now.

is SYL = single yellow line?
and TRO = ???

many thanks for your comment

taffy056

Try pepipoo.com for this, they have guys there that can help for your formal appeal, really you are at the start of this not the end, so just register read tha faq and post a new thread with the links above, they will need to see the ticket both sides and the letter of refusal, just blank out all personal details.

Good luck

Orford

Traffic Regulation Order which is a public document available on demand to view at the Council Offices and will specify all restrictions, layout, exact position of bays , SYL's etc. for that location. As i say chances are that it is different from what is actually on the ground now.

Coupon-mad

fbreza wrote: »

I did appeal saying the "contravention didn't occur" and they turned it down

There are 3 stages to a Council PCN appeal and Councils normally just arbitrarily decline at the first hurdle. They like to play a game of bluff and know that some people will just pay after the first refusal.

If you parked on the side with NO white bay lines then clearly 'the contravention did not occur'. Get advice from pepipoo as suggested but make sure you put in a formal appeal in good time, within the deadline, once you get the Notice to Owner. Pepipoo link:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=30

If the Council decide to bluff even more then it's onwards and upwards to the adjudicator (an informal process, like a meeting & discussion about what happened). Councils often get close to this stage and then offer no evidence and fold, and if they don't then be aware that most adjudications find in favour of the motorist.