Asylum & Immigration proof - but I'm British!!!

liney

molerat wrote: »

I agree for new employees but, as in my case, for someone who has been with the same employer for many years is just a box ticking exercise and my proof had been provided by the employer themselves. I still stick by my assertation that much of the documentation is easily obtainable by fraudsters anyway.

A programme a few weeks back showed someone being removed from UK as unauthorised to work and wanting to reclaim the tax and NI he had been paying for several years and had all the relevant documents, documents issued by the UK government which would have been acceptable to an employer.

Unless he had assumed a false identity, which is a different matter althogether, documents from Ex Employers etc are not acceptable evidence from non european foreign nationals: they need to provide a Visa.

Bulgarians and Romanians are to my knowledge the only Euros not able to work in the UK without a permit.

LittleVoice

LondonDiva wrote: »

Failure to keep copies of proof that someone is eligible to work in the UK is actually civil offence, attracting a maximum £10,000 fine. ?

I'm interested. Please tell me where this is laid out - that every employer has to retain copies of what they have taken to be proof that all their employees are eligible to work whether or not they are.

justanopinion

LittleVoice wrote: »

I'm interested. Please tell me where this is laid out - that every employer has to retain copies of what they have taken to be proof that all their employees are eligible to work whether or not they are.

See the UK Borders Agency website. Everything is expained there, along with a list of permissable documents.

Everyone is asked to prove eligibility. It's all well and good people saying they are British, but if they cannot prove it by official documents, then they have to bite the bullet and get proof.

I have had people say, "But I'm British, I can work here." Well, then unfortunately, you need to show the docs that prove it!

heretolearn_2

We keep copies of these docs from everyone. Any employer who doesn't bother is being totally stupid with that level of risk involved. We couldn't afford to pay a £10,000 fine.

I don't understand people moaning about having to supply the documents because they are British. Well, duh, that's the point, anyone could say that.

stephie6

You poor thing i can sympathise i found myself recently in the same position. All you can do is get proof though and i think someone already said to check out the ukba website it has all the information you need to get the paperwork you will need. Good luck:)

diable

Ask them to prove to you that they are have the right to work her legally as you are worried that they will take you documents away, photo copy them and maybe sell the information on to a gang of counterfeiters ;o))))

mariefab

Given that these employers are only covered if they obtain proof of eligibility to work in the UK before the employment begins; do they, if questioned, intend to lie to the border agency about when they obtained your documents?

SarEl

mariefab wrote: »

Given that these employers are only covered if they obtain proof of eligibility to work in the UK before the employment begins; do they, if questioned, intend to lie to the border agency about when they obtained your documents?

When the regulations were enacted, employers were supposed to retrospectively check their existing employees - but many didn't (and more than a few forgot to check new ones too!). There have been a few high profile cases, one involving a London local authority, where a random check has shown that they hadn't checked existing employees. That one certainly sent a large number of Council HR officers scurrying through their filing cabinets!

And the fine is per worker, not in total. So it's a hefty chunk if you are caught employing several someones who cannot legally work in the UK.

sexki11en

SarEl wrote: »

And the fine is per worker, not in total. So it's a hefty chunk if you are caught employing several someones who cannot legally work in the UK.

AFAIK it's also not just a fine, there can be a prison sentence imposed too if found to be employing illegal workers (with no defence)

You may look British - but I sure as hell aren't taking that risk because you can't be bothered to get the relevant ID just like everyone else has to.

SK x

LittleVoice

justanopinion wrote: »

See the UK Borders Agency website. Everything is expained there, along with a list of permissable documents.

Everyone is asked to prove eligibility. It's all well and good people saying they are British, but if they cannot prove it by official documents, then they have to bite the bullet and get proof.

I have had people say, "But I'm British, I can work here." Well, then unfortunately, you need to show the docs that prove it!

Where on the UK Borders Agency does it say that if I don't have copies of documents proving the right to work of all my staff that I will be fined?

In fact, where in actual legislation does it say that I must retain these copies?

I know that there is a fine for employing people who do not the the right to work and that a defence would be to show the documents that had led me to believe they were indeed eligible. I'm not questioning that. I was questioning the statement
Originally Posted by LondonDiva
Failure to keep copies of proof that someone is eligible to work in the UK is actually civil offence, attracting a maximum £10,000 fine. ?

I'm prepared to believe that such a law exists but would appreciate being told where this is.