Ex somehow lying about earnings

Demizdeeroolz

I recieve maintenance via the csa, I was getting £35 per week for my 13 year old daughter. She told me her Dad 'was on a higher grade' and now has a company car. As far as i'm aware he's a qualified financial advisor working for a large ethical company. The csa contacted him and he said he had changed jobs so they then had to wait for him to send in new wage slips. After 4 months without receiving anything the csa have told me the new amount will be £21 per week. I was receiving more from him 10 years ago when he worked in a shop.

They said there is no commission included on his wage sleps and as far as they're concerned they've done their job. I explained tha the managed to buy a £250 k detached house at an auction just over 2 years ago and there's always work being done on his house. He's married with one step child and her grandparents pay for her to go to private school and are wealthy,they live in a huge detached house. I know he bought the house in his own name as I looked it up on the land registry, his wife's parents have took over the deeds for the house his wife owned as they couldn't sell it.

The csa don't seem bothered but I know he must be on commision, they said they might look into an enforcement of variation. My ex has changed his surnmae to double barrel with his new wife's, 7 years ago he was living at his mums and all of a sudden he has money to throw at a house he bought at the end of the price boom.
He won't even give our daughter pocket money of help towards school trips or guides camp.

I have been a full time parent also have two children with my new hubby, he works full time and it angers him that my ex thinks my hubby should support my daughter. We manage but only because we live sensibly, I get most of our clothes (bar uniforms) from charity shops so my daughter doesn't go without nice clothes.

It doesn't seem right that he should only pay £3 per day for a 13 year old. I know he would do a scam as he once stole goods from the shop he worked in and was sacked or forced to resign.

Soubrette

I think the CSA have given you the answer, ask for a variation form and go for 'lifestyle inconsistence with earnings' put in evidence such as the house being in his name, that commission is usual in his type of job etc - the more the better.

The income of anyone else is the family is not relevant - it is only your ex's income that will be taken into account.

Demizdeeroolz

I know the income of his new wife and in laws isn't relevant but just wanted to show to everyone here that he has no one to support apart from our daughter. I hope they will send me the form, they said they will ring me on Monday after they've spoken to him, I didn't know I was entitled to complete a form, i've been on at the csa for the last 2 years about him having more income than he's disclosing.

gratefulforhelp_2

I sympathise and it is frustrating for you, but I would do as soubrette says.

Soubrette

Demizdeeroolz wrote: »

I know the income of his new wife and in laws isn't relevant but just wanted to show to everyone here that he has no one to support apart from our daughter. I hope they will send me the form, they said they will ring me on Monday after they've spoken to him, I didn't know I was entitled to complete a form, i've been on at the csa for the last 2 years about him having more income than he's disclosing.

They are rubbish!!

Don't hope they send you a form - tell them to send you a variation form but don't get your hopes up at this stage, they'll almost certainly turn it down, just ask them to look at it again and if (or when) turned down again ask for a Tribunal to look at it.

Any arrears will be back dated to the date of your disputing income and your ex will have to provide the Tribunal with information about his own financial situation and possibly his wife's too.

There is a small risk his child maintenance could be reduce further if he can prove that his new family pays for anything, you do not have to provide financial information and you will be sent any information that he provides.

It's up to you how far you want to take it and whether the risk is worth it for you.

Demizdeeroolz

Thanks for replies, I wished i'd posted about it here 2 years ago,

DUTR

Soubrette wrote: »

They are rubbish!!

Don't hope they send you a form - tell them to send you a variation form but don't get your hopes up at this stage, they'll almost certainly turn it down, just ask them to look at it again and if (or when) turned down again ask for a Tribunal to look at it.

Any arrears will be back dated to the date of your disputing income and your ex will have to provide the Tribunal with information about his own financial situation and possibly his wife's too.

There is a small risk his child maintenance could be reduce further if he can prove that his new family pays for anything, you do not have to provide financial information and you will be sent any information that he provides.

It's up to you how far you want to take it and whether the risk is worth it for you.

Very good points to be considered by the OP, as an NRP I know if a re-asesment form landed in the post my contribution would reduce by a small amount, promotion at work does not always lead to a salary increase (our managers are higher ranked but often earn less than us) , also if I had moved in with my current or previous GF I would enjoy a much higher disposable income lifestyle . A £250K is a lot for a 1st time buyer, but 2nd time round is probably now a 'budget' purchase even if dependants are to be considered
So the '1st' appearance may not be all it seems.
Good luck

BLT_2

Soubrette wrote: »

They are rubbish!!

Don't hope they send you a form - tell them to send you a variation form but don't get your hopes up at this stage, they'll almost certainly turn it down, just ask them to look at it again and if (or when) turned down again ask for a Tribunal to look at it.

Any arrears will be back dated to the date of your disputing income and your ex will have to provide the Tribunal with information about his own financial situation and possibly his wife's too.

There is a small risk his child maintenance could be reduce further if he can prove that his new family pays for anything, you do not have to provide financial information and you will be sent any information that he provides.

It's up to you how far you want to take it and whether the risk is worth it for you.

The tight !!!! is only paying 80 quid a month, he can hardly pay less can he :-) Based on that payment he has an annual salary of around 7k a year . There is definitely a scam going on here. Sadly the CSA are incompetent and won't even have thought about the obvious fraud going on here. what man of his age works for 7k per annum

I would pursue this to the ends of the earth, alternatively I would welcome advice on how you acquire a 250k house on 7k per annum :-)

DUTR

BLT wrote: »

The tight !!!! is only paying 80 quid a month, he can hardly pay less can he :-) Based on that payment he has an annual salary of around 7k a year . There is definitely a scam going on here. Sadly the CSA are incompetent and won't even have thought about the obvious fraud going on here. what man of his age works for 7k per annum

I would pursue this to the ends of the earth, alternatively I would welcome advice on how you acquire a 250k house on 7k per annum :-)

250k over 40yrs mortgage? (assuming no deposit) Lotto win/other windfall?
£7K roughly £583pm salary.
If the nrp's new partner has children then the liability may also reduce, also a csa1 or 2 case will have effect, I know a colleague who's csa1 contribution is very very low for a similar aged dependant (much lower than my csa2 case)
I'm not saying there is nothing not quite right in the OPs case

Soubrette

BLT wrote: »

The tight !!!! is only paying 80 quid a month, he can hardly pay less can he :-) Based on that payment he has an annual salary of around 7k a year . There is definitely a scam going on here. Sadly the CSA are incompetent and won't even have thought about the obvious fraud going on here. what man of his age works for 7k per annum

I would pursue this to the ends of the earth, alternatively I would welcome advice on how you acquire a 250k house on 7k per annum :-)

I put risk because there is one, in a Tribunal an assessment can down as well as up - it may be that the NRP works part time and his wealthy second family subsidises him.

I put small because if he works full time then he's getting less than min.wage which is of course illegal.

Personally I'd pursue based on the OPs details but she is the only one who can assess the risk eg if there is a possibility he is working part time.

I agree wholeheartedly on the NRP in this instance being a tightass and the CSA being incompetent

bdt1

Demi - I wouldn't wait for a variation form to arrive from CSA, you WILL wait a very very long time, if it ever turns up at all!!!

Put together a letter to CSA, requesting that you are granted a variation on the assessment, on grounds of lifestyle inconsistent with declared earnings. Send this recorded delivery, keep Royal Mail barcode, and print off receiving signature as proof they received it. Also keep a copy of every communication you have with them from now on.

Then if they decline a variation this gives you appeal rights, as Sou said, this can then be progressed to Tribunal stage, whereby the NRP will be asked by a Judge to present lots and lots and lots of proof of his finances. We have attended such a Tribunal, my hubs is NRP and self-employed, we won our case, but we were innocent all along, but the Judge went through every morsel of our lives with a fine tooth comb, he even wanted proof with regard to our sons football 'subs', they left no stone unturned.

If he's fiddling they will rumble him - or that's from my experience anyway