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Carport planning / regs etc

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20vt-rs
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I'm looking at constructing a carport on the side of my house. From what I read and speaking to my friends in the trade, I should apply for planning before I do this. However where do I stand if I just go ahead? I'm trying to do this on a budget and planning increases costs. Is the worst case the council just tell Me to take it down? Or do they need a neighbour to complain first? I'm also a bit reserved about shelling out for planning and getting rejected, money down the pan :(
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  • ormus
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    Under new regulations that came into effect on 1 October 2008 outbuildings are considered to be permitted development, not needing planning permission, subject to the following limits and conditions:
    • No outbuilding on land forward of a wall forming the principal elevation.
    • Outbuildings and garages to be single storey with maximum eaves height of 2.5 metres and maximum overall height of four metres with a dual pitched roof or three metres for any other roof.
    • Maximum height of 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within two metres of a boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse.
    • No verandas, balconies or raised platforms.
    • No more than half the area of land around the "original house"* would be covered by additions or other buildings.
    • In National Parks, the Broads, Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty and World Heritage Sites the maximum area to be covered by buildings, enclosures, containers and pools more than 20 metres from house to be limited to 10 square metres.
    • On designated land* buildings, enclosures, containers and pools at the side of properties will require planning permission.
    • Within the curtilage of listed buildings any outbuilding will require planning permission.
    so generally speaking, for ordinary/most houses, a carport comes under permitted development.
    (subject to certain conditions).
    Get some gorm.
  • 20vt-rs
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    edited 5 September 2010 at 9:41AM
    Thank you for that info, very useful. Reading the points above I should be ok...

    Looking on our local council web site I should fill out a home change form and they review if I can do this or if I need planning. I think I'll do this and see what they say, hopefuly not planning required!
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  • 20vt-rs
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    Just some advice if I can please, my local council has responded to my home change request saying that I do in fact need planning, even thought the points in Ormus' post are not an issue, they say it's because it's not 'in keeping' with the materials used for my house (brick) as I propose a timber frame / polycarbonate roof.

    They have referred me to the planning portal, would I be in my rights to just carry on and not apply for planning based on the fact I fall under the "outbuildings are considered to be permitted development, not needing planning permission, subject to the following limits and conditions" category? I'm not sure why they think I still need planning, unless they are trying to make £££?

    I suppose worse case, I build and then have to get restrospective planning approval if they write to me / find out?

    Any comments welcome.
    Thanks
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  • You say that the car port is attached to the house, in which case the council are correctly assessing it as an extension to the property - which falls to be considered under Class A of the GPDO (not Class E, which relates to detached outbuildings - Ormus' post above relates to Class E, not Class A, so those criteria are not relevant).

    There is a condition attached to Class A development which does state that the materials must match those used for the original house, so if they don't, then it won't be permitted development. As such, the council appear to be correct in their assessment.

    You could always make the car port detached - in which case there is no condition requiring materials to match the house (it would then be assessed against Class E, not Class A).
  • 20vt-rs
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    Ok thanks for the clarification, that ties in now and makes sense. If I went ahead and built with no planning, would I just need to get retrospective planning if I get asked?
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  • Either build it in a way that does not require planning permission, or get the permission first.

    Building without permission is not money saving, it's gambling (badly).
  • dtaylor84 wrote: »
    Either build it in a way that does not require planning permission, or get the permission first.

    Building without permission is not money saving, it's gambling (badly).

    All you need is one neighbour to ring the planning dept and they will come and have a look - best to be all above board and save heartache further down the track. Would you really want to pay for materials and to build it, only to be told to pull it down.

    By the way, Wickes have got really reasonably priced corrugated plastic roofing!
  • 20vt-rs
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    You say that the car port is attached to the house...

    You could always make the car port detached - in which case there is no condition requiring materials to match the house (it would then be assessed against Class E, not Class A).

    Sorry guys another quick one, based on the info above. If I built the car port on posts right next to the house, but didn't attach to the house, then I wouldn't need planning? I could do this and it would literally be millimetres from the house on fixed posts instead of leaning on the house, just seems a bit daft that I could potentially do this with no planning but need planning to lean on the house!!
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  • Swipe
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    Just be careful it doesn't sail away in high winds. If it were me, I'd attach it and then if there are repercussions (which is highly unlikely if you speak to your neighbours first) then go with plan B and make it detached.
  • 20vt-rs wrote: »
    Sorry guys another quick one, based on the info above. If I built the car port on posts right next to the house, but didn't attach to the house, then I wouldn't need planning? I could do this and it would literally be millimetres from the house on fixed posts instead of leaning on the house, just seems a bit daft that I could potentially do this with no planning but need planning to lean on the house!!
    Whilst it's a technicality, it makes a big difference in terms of planning - if it adjoins the house it's an extension, whereas if it's detached it's an outbuilding - if you want it to benefit from permitted development rights under Class E (relating to outbuildings), then you need to ensure it is fully detached - plus of course, comply with all the criteria in Class E.
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