Replacing my kitchen!!!!!!

a-builder-A1

ferrarigirlie wrote:

hi dont forget that if you are going to be disconnecting any gas pipes you have to have a corgi registered person to re-connect

On CORGI's web site in the section on achieving ACS Accreditation.
" Until 1998, gas installers could achieve certificates of competence through a number of different certification schemes - resulting in an inconsistency of standards across the UK. Those separate schemes have now been replaced by the Nationally Accredited Certification Scheme for Individual Gas Fitting Operatives (ACS).
This means that all operatives are assessed within nationally agreed standards, to gain certificates that need renewal every five years. Assessments are available from some 150 centres around the UK. Each of these has been approved by one of six certification bodies accredited by the United Kingdom Accreditation Service (UKAS)."
"All gas installation businesses and operatives must be in a "class of persons" approved by the Health and Safety Executive. That currently means they must be registered with CORGI."
This does not apply to DIY work. CORGI, as one would expect, say “could be dangerous" and "likely to be illegal".
Here is the referring Statutory Instrument.
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1998/19982451.htm
The HSE published a complete Fundamental Review of Gas Safety
http://www.hse.gov.uk/gas/index.htm
In which there is a section discussing DIY
http://www.hse.gov.uk/fundgas.htm
It does say:
DIY installation and maintenance Question 30. Should DIY work be legally prohibited, e.g. by restricting the sale of gas equipment to registered gas installers? Should retailers be legally required to record sales of gas equipment and pass these to a central body, perhaps CORGI? Should any central body selected for this purpose be required to arrange the inspection of gas installation work in any case where the record of sale suggests work will be carried out by an unregistered installer? Should increased publicity on the dangers of DIY gas work be given by (i) HSE campaigns, (ii) manufacturer's warnings, (iii) other means? (HSC Discussion Document 'Gas Safety Review: option for change', DDE14a, Page 50) Recommendation 26
226. We understand concern about the possible risks posed by incompetent DIY gas work, but believe at present there is insufficient hard evidence of incidents to support the introduction of a legal ban. However, we recognise that current statistics might not tell the full story and recommend that further work be done more accurately to identify the scale of the problem, i.e. by refining arrangements for reporting incidents specifically to identify those related to DIY (see Recommendation 9), with a view to reviewing the legal position again (say in five years time).
227. In the meantime, we recommend that increased publicity should be given to the dangers of DIY gas work (possibly funded through industry and the Gas Safety Levy - see Recommendations 7 and 11). This should focus more on legal requirements for competence if DIY is undertaken, and penalties if these are not met. More encouragement should also be given to retailers for providing 'point of sale' information, and equipment manufacturers to include warnings with products.
Analysis of responses
228. Of a total 109 responses to Q 30, 54 supported the principle of banning DIY with 35 specifically against; whereas 44 were in favour of a ban in practice with 47 against (NB some voted just for principle or practice,
others for both). The similar question in the consumer document resulted in 29 favouring a ban with 31 against and 1 unclear. Replies to the public questionnaire showed 285 in favour of a ban with 54 against. The issue was also posted on a DIY Internet web site which provoked a number of responses from those practising DIY gas work; these were against more legal controls but generally supported further publicity, stressing competence requirements for DIY rather than frightening people away from doing it.
Argument
232. Data currently available suggests that a number of gas incidents have occurred over recent years where DIY is directly or indirectly implicated, but, the link is not always entirely clear and in some cases it is possible for other factors to have contributed. At present we do not believe that this evidence is sufficiently strong to suggest that current legal controls (ie for competence under GSIUR regulation 3(1)) are inadequate, and an absolute ban needs to be placed on DIY. If you look at some of the rest of the report, and contributing consultants reports concerning dangers in the home in general, you will read that in the gas arena, CO poisoning is by far and away the biggest issue, and that all gas related accidents in the home are a tiny proportion of the total.
DIY gas work is not illegal and is not a major focus area of the HSE. That's pretty clear.:rolleyes:

lukemed1

lukemed1 wrote:

I've got a builtin electric oven and hob, would I be ok in removing these myself? or would i have to get an electrician in?

best wishes

Luke:beer:

Anyone???????????

mikeywills

In Jan 2005, part P of the building regulations came into force, which encompasses electrical safety within the home.
If you intend carrying out any electrical work within the kitchen you either need to contact your local council and apply for building regulations prior to commencing work (as a non self certified electrician), you or me joe public. Or you have to have the work carried out by a certified electrician, with credential such as NICEIC.
The onus is on you the owner, to ensure that the work has been carried out in accordance with building regulations, which ever route you take. If you undertake this work yourself and it causes an electrical fault, or fire etc you would be liable.
Examples include changing a socket plate, extending a ring main, new cooker switch cover, fitting under cupboard lights (where they do not have a plug) etc.
As kitchens are considered high risk areas there is no electrical work that can be undertaken without a certificate on completion. This is not the case throughout the house, and if you want more information you can get this on https://www.planningportal.gov.uk (where you can download the full Part P document.
I would recommend that you go to the niceic website, https://www.niceic.org.uk
where as a householder you can get the names of people registered in your area and what are their specialism, such as domestic installation.
On completion of any work they undertake they will issue you with a certificate that if ever asked, is proof that the work was undertaken as per building regulations guidance.
Shortly the government is implementing a home buyers pack, which require you to prove that any work has been undertaken correctly when selling.
I hope this answers your question and sorry if its not as clear cut as you hoped.

lukemed1

mikeywills wrote:

In Jan 2005, part P of the building regulations came into force, which encompasses electrical safety within the home.
If you intend carrying out any electrical work within the kitchen you either need to contact your local council and apply for building regulations prior to commencing work (as a non self certified electrician), you or me joe public. Or you have to have the work carried out by a certified electrician, with credential such as NICEIC.
The onus is on you the owner, to ensure that the work has been carried out in accordance with building regulations, which ever route you take. If you undertake this work yourself and it causes an electrical fault, or fire etc you would be liable.
Examples include changing a socket plate, extending a ring main, new cooker switch cover, fitting under cupboard lights (where they do not have a plug) etc.
As kitchens are considered high risk areas there is no electrical work that can be undertaken without a certificate on completion. This is not the case throughout the house, and if you want more information you can get this on https://www.planningportal.gov.uk (where you can download the full Part P document.
I would recommend that you go to the niceic website, https://www.niceic.org.uk
where as a householder you can get the names of people registered in your area and what are their specialism, such as domestic installation.
On completion of any work they undertake they will issue you with a certificate that if ever asked, is proof that the work was undertaken as per building regulations guidance.
Shortly the government is implementing a home buyers pack, which require you to prove that any work has been undertaken correctly when selling.
I hope this answers your question and sorry if its not as clear cut as you hoped.

so wouldn't I be able to remove the electric oven myself?

cheers

Luke

waddy80

My advice - get a local handy man in to do any of the bits your not sure of (cutting out a bit of the worktop etc). Did this a few years ago, he was there for two hours doing the worktop etc and only cost me £30! He also knew a good electrician that came and did a good job for a reasonable price.

advent1122

I have only one word to add. CLAMPS

Raksha

Just come across another one - think very carefully about where ALL your door handles are going to go before you start fitting them. OH has just thrown a complete wobbler - we fitted 4 wall cupboard handles yesterday, and when coming to fit the larder units today, discovered they need to be fitted centrally so the fitted frames with chrome draws slide out properly - this means the wall cupboard handles are in the wrong place for uniformity

mikeywills

Luke

I am not saying you cannot take out anything that you want to, if you feel that you are knowledgeable and confident enough to do so.
You could always contact a registered electrician and ask for a quote on doing the electrics for you, there probably wont be much difference in their quote for disconnecting everything before you start. As it will only take them a few minutes to do so.

monkey_writer

also, if you have a nice old (anything before 1979) then try to sell it rather than throw it away as A) it's a waste and a shame, someone will love and cherish it and C) you'll make a few bob.

BTW. if anyone has any old 1950's metal English Rose units please contact me as I'm trying to put together a 50's kitchen in our new house!

CJL

mikeywills wrote:

If you intend carrying out any electrical work within the kitchen you either need to contact your local council and apply for building regulations prior to commencing work (as a non self certified electrician), you or me joe public. Or you have to have the work carried out by a certified electrician, with credential such as NICEIC.
The onus is on you the owner, to ensure that the work has been carried out in accordance with building regulations, which ever route you take. If you undertake this work yourself and it causes an electrical fault, or fire etc you would be liable.
Examples include changing a socket plate, extending a ring main, new cooker switch cover, fitting under cupboard lights (where they do not have a plug) etc.
As kitchens are considered high risk areas there is no electrical work that can be undertaken without a certificate on completion. This is not the case throughout the house, and if you want more information you can get this on https://www.planningportal.gov.uk (where you can download the full Part P document.

It may be worth taking a look at http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/PpWeb/jsp/redirect.jsp?url=http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_PTP_NEWRULESenglish.pdf
where at the top of page 3, it tells you that you do not need to inform your local Building Control department about "replacements", even if they are in a kitchen. This document is issued by the people that "own" the Building Regulations and soshould have some credibility.

Of course you should only even think about replacing the oven if you are confident that you know what you are doing.