Generation Whine

ILW

Graham_Devon wrote: »

This is just a stupid thing to say.

Why would anyone, in their right mind, save up for ages, or get themselves into huge debt and take on possibly their biggest commitment so far in life, and knowingly do so in a place they do not like, do not feel safe and are not happy in?

When at ANY time have people done this? It's one thing renting, but actually buying a place you hate!?

Again, you are just doing the neat little box thing and saying "you can buy a home there, shutup" without thinking any further into it.

I doubt you would do yourself what you are expecting others to do.

Everyone in life has different thoughts and feelings on different areas. Every area therefore has it's potential buyer. But to suggest a buyer should spend so much money on their biggest commitment in life so far in a place they will never be happy, feel safe, or feel content is the height of stupidity - sorry.

No one is on here, or in the papers saying they want a mansion. On a general level, no one of my generation is expecting everything on a plate, and a 4 bed detached in the country with plenty of land and an orchard.

I'm out of this convo, it's going absolutely no where. I will say however, that on page 3 or 4, at least some of my generation on this thread acknowledged and discussed in detail the struggles the boomers went through. This has been totally ignored and were back to the fact my generation just want everything now, want it all so easy and want to pee our money up the wall every night in the process.

Sorry but many do if they want to own a house, I bought in a downmarket area of SE London for my first place. Again it is all a matter of choice, you either buy what and where you can afford or go on renting and complaining. Thats life.

A._Badger

Graham_Devon wrote: »

This is just a stupid thing to say.

Why would anyone, in their right mind, save up for ages, or get themselves into huge debt and take on possibly their biggest commitment so far in life, and knowingly do so in a place they do not like, do not feel safe and are not happy in?

When at ANY time have people done this? It's one thing renting, but actually buying a place you hate!?

Bzzzzz! I can answer that one. It is precisely what I did to get a flat of my own.

At the time it seemed the right decision. Now it seems positively prescient.

ILW

A._Badger wrote: »

Bzzzzz! I can answer that one. It is precisely what I did to get a flat of my own.

At the time it seemed the right decision. Now it seems positively prescient.

I honestly thought that was the way it worked for most people. Obviously different in Devon though.

olly300

ILW wrote: »

I honestly thought that was the way it worked for most people. Obviously different in Devon though.

London if you are near a tube or train station is easy to get around. Other counties aren't so easily.

BTW are you honestly saying you would have brought in an area you didn't feel safe in?

Quite a lot of my friends found cheap areas they could have lived in but due to not feeling safe or racial abuse (and yes it still exists) they decided to buy properties in other areas.

A._Badger

olly300 wrote: »

London if you are near a tube or train station is easy to get around. Other counties aren't so easily.

BTW are you honestly saying you would have brought in an area you didn't feel safe in?

Quite a lot of my friends found cheap areas they could have lived in but due to not feeling safe or racial abuse (and yes it still exists) they decided to buy properties in other areas.

Bzzzz again! I moved from a fairly nice town in the SE to a nasty East Midlands town. Plenty of racial stuff, football violence just gettng up on its feet, miles from the train (literally) and three times as far to get to work.

I know for a fact that what I did was pretty typical, so I expect no credit for it - and nor should I. I was just 'getting on with it' - as were we all.

This sort of 'but what about?' stuff is exactly why people are starting to use the word 'whining'.

ILW

olly300 wrote: »

London if you are near a tube or train station is easy to get around. Other counties aren't so easily.

BTW are you honestly saying you would have brought in an area you didn't feel safe in?

Quite a lot of my friends found cheap areas they could have lived in but due to not feeling safe or racial abuse (and yes it still exists) they decided to buy properties in other areas.

I bought in an inner city suburb of SE London with a bit of a reputation, I would have preferred somewhere better but could not afford it. To be honest I never felt unsafe, you just have to be sensible. You can get a kicking in the nicest areas. To me it was a better option than renting in a nicer area. Each to their own.
I now have a bigger place a bit further out, but that does involve sitting on the M25 for about 2 hours a day getting to work and back.
I truly do believe that someone on a average wage can buy a home, it just involves quite a few compromises from your ideal.

olly300

A._Badger wrote: »

Bzzzz again! I moved from a fairly nice town in the SE to a nasty East Midlands town. Plenty of racial stuff, football violence just gettng up on its feet, miles from the train (literally) and three times as far to get to work.

I know for a fact that what I did was pretty typical, so I expect no credit for it - and nor should I. I was just 'getting on with it' - as were we all.

This sort of 'but what about?' stuff is exactly why people are starting to use the word 'whining'.

I'm glad that you don't know anyone who has been attacked for the colour of their skin but I do. Hence the people I know tend to be more cautious. If you have a choice of 2 areas which you can afford, one comfortably and the other one with more a struggle you go for the area that you are sure you will be left alone.

olly300

ILW wrote: »

I bought in an inner city suburb of SE London with a bit of a reputation, I would have preferred somewhere better but could not afford it. To be honest I never felt unsafe, you just have to be sensible. You can get a kicking in the nicest areas. To me it was a better option than renting in a nicer area. Each to their own.

Yeah I've met people who refuse to go to visit people or go to pubs in certain areas because they will get stabbed or mugged, without provocation. Amusing if it wasn't sad as there are certain categories of people who I know who are targets and they don't fit into them.

sjaypink

I don't even know why this has come down to whether you are likely to be stabbed or mugged?

My parents first home was a 3/4 bed terrace in a nice-ish area. They bought it when they were 21 & 23, with no financial assistance from elders & in pretty standard jobs. All aunts/uncles/ family friends of that age bought houses too. Don't even know if there were really any flats around here at that time?

Yes they sarificed - I've heard all the 'no sofas just deckchairs for 3 years' & 'we only became cat people due to the mice running along the mantlepiece' etc etc, but to suggest anyone who can't afford somewhere is expecting too much & should move to a complete dump is way out!

ukcarper

There seems to be a lot of exaggeration on both sides as there is no way could I have bought a 3-bed house where I was bought up and had to move 20 miles to get one. Now I would have to settle for a 2 bed, which can be bought for £180k (10% deposit with 4x joint income of 40k) where I live 45min by train from London. I must agree that expecting people to move to areas where they feel unsafe is unreasonable.

There is also a nice one bed flat with garage in walking distance from station for £124k