So what's the solution?

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

You are confusing holiday homes with holiday lets.

I didn't talk about holiday lets.

If they are houses they restrict supply.
Most people let holiday homes when they are not using them, or allow family to use them.

Any one who has a house be it holiday home or let removes a house from the local stock when they purchase one.

They also add to local income via holidays.

If you taxed holiday homes and not holiday lets do you not think people would say holiday houses are now holiday lets?

I can't see why you debate against it, if every holiday home became a holiday let would it make any difference to supply and prices?

Generali

There is a huge amount of green land around London. Build on some of it and people will be able to live in reasonably priced houses of a reasonable size.

CLAPTON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

You are confusing holiday homes with holiday lets.

I didn't talk about holiday lets.

the absurb point about all the special pleading from places like devon cornwall lakes, dales etc, is that they are relatively under populated and there is ample land for sensitive development to suit local people, holiday homes, holiday lets etc. this would of course lead to more jobs for local people too

the real crisis is in london and parts of the southeast where people who were born and grew up there have no hope of buying even a starter home
so before we plead for devon etc, lets lead the way and say no-one can buy in london unless they were born there or have worked there for 10 years at least (I wonder how many people form devon et al would agree)

StevieJ

Generali wrote: »

There is a huge amount of green land around London. Build on some of it and people will be able to live in reasonably priced houses of a reasonable size.

The current govt have already moved to restrict the building of houses on brown field sites (gardens) so no chance of building in the shires.

Really2

CLAPTON wrote: »

lets lead the way and say no-one can buy in london unless they were born there or have worked there for 10 years at least (I wonder how many people form devon et al would agree)

It could be a pain when some of the southeners want to retire into the country side.;)

Not sure you would agree if it was 10 years to get in 10 years to get out.

edit, I lived in an town that was basically becoming a retirement town, most new people to the town were from the south as obviously it is cheaper to move north.

ukcarper

Generali wrote: »

There is a huge amount of green land around London. Build on some of it and people will be able to live in reasonably priced houses of a reasonable size.

Where inside the M25

chopperharris

New town initiatives weill start to be heard again , most likely nearby this supposed high spped line from london to birmingham.

The problem as i see it is that the london centric housing is not the total problem , but it is to those that live around the m25.Theres plenty of cheap housing , much so that millions of council properties have been raized elsewhere in the uk as populations dwindled and moved to get employment as mass employment went the way of the dodo.

If we just stopped any homes being built in the LSE area alltogether then we would have to reinvigorate those other areas , and suprisingly those other areas are high unemployment areas.There is no viable employment in these areas , our govt are talking about moving long term claimants to elsewhere in order to find these unavailable jobs.Job is a good un more housing , longer commutes.

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

If they are houses they restrict supply.
Most people let holiday homes when they are not using them, or allow family to use them.

Only taking my own experience on this one and that's not the case. People don't want other people sleeping in their beds and using their posessions. That's why key services are quite popular, where the key holder will go in and check on your property on your behalf and deal with emergencies and services.

Any one who has a house be it holiday home or let removes a house from the local stock when they purchase one.

They also add to local income via holidays.

If you taxed holiday homes and not holiday lets do you not think people would say holiday houses are now holiday lets?

I can't see why you debate against it, if every holiday home became a holiday let would it make any difference to supply and prices?

As I said, I wasn't speaking about holiday lets. These are business's and are vital to the economy here. Often they are purpose built, and come in the form of converted barns etc.

My issue wasn't holiday lets as I said. It was holiday homes and second homes. 2 doors up from mum there is a house whereby the person only comes home one weekend a month and off they go again. That being a second home.

Theres no point in saying holiday lets and holiday homes are the same. They are not. Ones a purpose run business, another is a luxury.

Graham_Devon

CLAPTON wrote: »

the absurb point about all the special pleading from places like devon cornwall lakes, dales etc, is that they are relatively under populated and there is ample land for sensitive development to suit local people, holiday homes, holiday lets etc. this would of course lead to more jobs for local people too

There is, you are completely right.

Some laws would have to be seriously changed for it to go ahead though. There has been a whole new town proposal for years now, and it looks like the environmentalists have finally won. 15 years in planning, new houses, new economy, infrastructure already close to cope with such a building task. But looks like it's all been a waste of time.

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Only taking my own experience on this one and that's not the case. People don't want other people sleeping in their beds and using their posessions.

I have had holidays in friends holiday homes, 1 in abersoch, 1 in portugal, 1 in florida.

So believe me it happens, and very nice it is too.

s I said, I wasn't speaking about holiday lets. These are business's and are vital to the economy here. Often they are purpose built, and come in the form of converted barns etc.

My issue wasn't holiday lets as I said. It was holiday homes and second homes. 2 doors up from mum there is a house whereby the person only comes home one weekend a month and off they go again. That being a second home.

Theres no point in saying holiday lets and holiday homes are the same. They are not. Ones a purpose run business, another is a luxury.

You have faild to understand what I said, if second home / holiday homes were taxed do you not think the people who owned them would not turn them in to loss making holiday lets.
EG do not rent them out just put in the odd fake booking each year.

If they have the money to use a place only a few weeks a year and gain no income from it I am sure they would have the brains to avoid a tax.