Named and Shamed! Britain's jobless ghettos...

marklv

Generali wrote: »

The difference between the really bad bits of London and the Northern hell holes is that it's much easier to work your way out of the London dump. If you live in Hackney then you're a reasonably easy journey from the City and West End, both of which offer huge opportunities for the ambitious unskilled.

That's not to say it's easy to do as living in the nastier bits of London creates a lot of problems that don't apply to some of the other areas let alone the leafy suburbs:I was once late for work because my local station was closed as a drug dealer had been shot outside it for example.

The real poverty problem in London is the ethnic minority one. White working class Londoners are really pretty well off in general and in recent decades many of them moved away into the Essex countryside. There are still some pockets of dire white poverty in London, but the old dockers are dying away and their children and grandchildren are electricians and plumbers on good incomes. Many have even got themselves white collar jobs in the City.

olly300

marklv wrote: »

The real poverty problem in London is the ethnic minority one. White working class Londoners are really pretty well off in general and in recent decades many of them moved away into the Essex countryside. There are still some pockets of dire white poverty in London, but the old dockers are dying away and their children and grandchildren are electricians and plumbers on good incomes. Many have even got themselves white collar jobs in the City.

You obviously haven't read the reports about White working class boys in the London area.

The girls are fine. The boys are f**ked.

marklv

olly300 wrote: »

You obviously haven't read the reports about White working class boys in the London area.

The girls are fine. The boys are f**ked.

Well, if you are referring to the 'chavs' then you're right. But I think the chavs from the north are in an even worse position. By the way, not all boys from poor backgrounds end up this way, many of them lift themselves up and make something out of their lives.

mynameisdave

StevieJ wrote: »

Interesting then, to see Manchester missing from that list being the major cornerstone of the Industrial revolution.

Research by The Princess Trust suggests it wouldn't have missed by far

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10923111

Generali

StevieJ wrote: »

That is an interesting one, when does east become north?

I would say the border is very roughly Lea Bridge Road/Woodford New Road, ie Hackney is East London, Walthamstow is North.

Generali

marklv wrote: »

The real poverty problem in London is the ethnic minority one. White working class Londoners are really pretty well off in general and in recent decades many of them moved away into the Essex countryside. There are still some pockets of dire white poverty in London, but the old dockers are dying away and their children and grandchildren are electricians and plumbers on good incomes. Many have even got themselves white collar jobs in the City.

I've worked with a lot of 'working class' Londoners of all races in the City. The problems as seen from afar at least seem to be among those that don't want their kids to assimilate, don't want to learn English and don't want their kids to learn English either.

If you can't speak the local lingo then you are at a massive disadvantage in the workplace or even applying for jobs. The dole office will give you a translator but the Goldman Sachs post room won't. (Post boy is a traditional way in to banking for low qualification ambitious people).

StevieJ

mynameisdave wrote: »

Research by The Princess Trust suggests it wouldn't have missed by far

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10923111

If this is true, why are they not on the list?

More young people in Liverpool and Manchester grow up in jobless households than anywhere else in the UK, a charity report suggests.

thescouselander

StevieJ wrote: »

You could always commute to Manchester

Crikey! Worst idea ever!